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From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
Subject: Re: -only-migrate and the two different uses of migration blockers (was: spapr_events: Sure we may ignore migrate_add_blocker() failure?)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 13:42:57 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YPVzURLf5qqwtYsZ@work-vm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87sg0amuuz.fsf_-_@dusky.pond.sub.org>

* Markus Armbruster (armbru@redhat.com) wrote:
> We appear to use migration blockers in two ways:
> 
> (1) Prevent migration for an indefinite time, typically due to use of
> some feature that isn't compatible with migration.
> 
> (2) Delay migration for a short time.
> 
> Option -only-migrate is designed for (1).  It interferes with (2).
> 
> Example for (1): device "x-pci-proxy-dev" doesn't support migration.  It
> adds a migration blocker on realize, and deletes it on unrealize.  With
> -only-migrate, device realize fails.  Works as designed.
> 
> Example for (2): spapr_mce_req_event() makes an effort to prevent
> migration degrate the reporting of FWNMIs.  It adds a migration blocker
> when it receives one, and deletes it when it's done handling it.  This
> is a best effort; if migration is already in progress by the time FWNMI
> is received, we simply carry on, and that's okay.  However, option
> -only-migrate sabotages the best effort entirely.

That's interesting; it's the first time I've heard of anyone using it as
'best effort'.  I've always regarded blockers as blocking.

> While this isn't exactly terrible, it may be a weakness in our thinking
> and our infrastructure.  I'm bringing it up so the people in charge are
> aware :)

Thanks.

It almost feels like they need a way to temporarily hold off
'completion' of migratio - i.e. the phase where we stop the CPU and
write the device data;  mind you you'd also probably want it to stop
cold-migrates/snapshots?

Dave

-- 
Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK



  reply	other threads:[~2021-07-19 12:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-07-15 13:32 spapr_events: Sure we may ignore migrate_add_blocker() failure? Markus Armbruster
2021-07-19  2:31 ` David Gibson
2021-07-19  7:18   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-07-19  7:20     ` David Gibson
2021-07-19 10:41       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-07-19 11:00         ` -only-migrate and the two different uses of migration blockers (was: spapr_events: Sure we may ignore migrate_add_blocker() failure?) Markus Armbruster
2021-07-19 12:42           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert [this message]
2021-07-20  5:30             ` -only-migrate and the two different uses of migration blockers Markus Armbruster
2021-07-21  6:32               ` David Gibson
2021-07-22 18:00                 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-07-25  6:25                   ` David Gibson
2021-11-02 14:32                 ` Juan Quintela
2021-11-02 14:30           ` Juan Quintela
2021-07-21  6:26         ` spapr_events: Sure we may ignore migrate_add_blocker() failure? David Gibson

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