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From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: thomas.lendacky@amd.com, Ashish Kalra <Ashish.Kalra@amd.com>,
	brijesh.singh@amd.com, ehabkost@redhat.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	mst@redhat.com, tobin@ibm.com, jejb@linux.ibm.com,
	richard.henderson@linaro.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	frankeh@us.ibm.com, dovmurik@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/13] Add support for Mirror VM.
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2021 18:23:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YRqfI0YlNZ6Xowwt@work-vm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fb737cf0-3d96-173f-333b-876dfd59d32b@redhat.com>

* Paolo Bonzini (pbonzini@redhat.com) wrote:
> On 16/08/21 15:25, Ashish Kalra wrote:
> > From: Ashish Kalra<ashish.kalra@amd.com>
> > 
> > This is an RFC series for Mirror VM support that are
> > essentially secondary VMs sharing the encryption context
> > (ASID) with a primary VM. The patch-set creates a new
> > VM and shares the primary VM's encryption context
> > with it using the KVM_CAP_VM_COPY_ENC_CONTEXT_FROM capability.
> > The mirror VM uses a separate pair of VM + vCPU file
> > descriptors and also uses a simplified KVM run loop,
> > for example, it does not support any interrupt vmexit's. etc.
> > Currently the mirror VM shares the address space of the
> > primary VM.
> > 
> > The mirror VM can be used for running an in-guest migration
> > helper (MH). It also might have future uses for other in-guest
> > operations.
> 
> Hi,
> 
> first of all, thanks for posting this work and starting the discussion.
> 
> However, I am not sure if the in-guest migration helper vCPUs should use the
> existing KVM support code.  For example, they probably can just always work
> with host CPUID (copied directly from KVM_GET_SUPPORTED_CPUID),

Doesn't at least one form of SEV have some masking of CPUID that's
visible to the guest; so perhaps we have to match the main vCPUs idea of
CPUIDs?

>  and they do
> not need to interface with QEMU's MMIO logic.  They would just sit on a
> "HLT" instruction and communicate with the main migration loop using some
> kind of standardized ring buffer protocol; the migration loop then executes
> KVM_RUN in order to start the processing of pages, and expects a
> KVM_EXIT_HLT when the VM has nothing to do or requires processing on the
> host.
> 
> The migration helper can then also use its own address space, for example
> operating directly on ram_addr_t values with the helper running at very high
> virtual addresses.  Migration code can use a RAMBlockNotifier to invoke
> KVM_SET_USER_MEMORY_REGION on the mirror VM (and never enable dirty memory
> logging on the mirror VM, too, which has better performance).

How does the use of a very high virtual address help ?

> With this implementation, the number of mirror vCPUs does not even have to
> be indicated on the command line.  The VM and its vCPUs can simply be
> created when migration starts.  In the SEV-ES case, the guest can even
> provide the VMSA that starts the migration helper.
> 
> The disadvantage is that, as you point out, in the future some of the
> infrastructure you introduce might be useful for VMPL0 operation on SEV-SNP.
> My proposal above might require some code duplication. However, it might
> even be that VMPL0 operation works best with a model more similar to my
> sketch of the migration helper; it's really too early to say.
> 

Dave

> Paolo
> 
-- 
Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK



  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-08-16 17:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-16 13:25 [RFC PATCH 00/13] Add support for Mirror VM Ashish Kalra
2021-08-16 13:26 ` [RFC PATCH 01/13] machine: Add mirrorvcpus=N suboption to -smp Ashish Kalra
2021-08-16 21:23   ` Eric Blake
2021-08-16 13:27 ` [RFC PATCH 02/13] hw/boards: Add mirror_vcpu flag to CPUArchId Ashish Kalra
2021-08-16 13:27 ` [RFC PATCH 03/13] hw/i386: Mark mirror vcpus in possible_cpus Ashish Kalra
2021-08-16 13:27 ` [RFC PATCH 04/13] hw/acpi: Don't include mirror vcpus in ACPI tables Ashish Kalra
2021-08-16 13:28 ` [RFC PATCH 05/13] cpu: Add boolean mirror_vcpu field to CPUState Ashish Kalra
2021-08-16 13:28 ` [RFC PATCH 06/13] hw/i386: Set CPUState.mirror_vcpu=true for mirror vcpus Ashish Kalra
2021-08-16 13:29 ` [RFC PATCH 07/13] kvm: Add Mirror VM ioctl and enable cap interfaces Ashish Kalra
2021-08-16 13:29 ` [RFC PATCH 08/13] kvm: Add Mirror VM support Ashish Kalra
2021-08-16 13:29 ` [RFC PATCH 09/13] kvm: create Mirror VM and share primary VM's encryption context Ashish Kalra
2021-08-16 13:30 ` [RFC PATCH 10/13] softmmu/cpu: Skip mirror vcpu's for pause, resume and synchronization Ashish Kalra
2021-08-16 13:30 ` [RFC PATCH 11/13] kvm/apic: Disable in-kernel APIC support for mirror vcpu's Ashish Kalra
2021-08-16 13:31 ` [RFC PATCH 12/13] hw/acpi: disable modern CPU hotplug interface " Ashish Kalra
2021-08-16 13:31 ` [RFC PATCH 13/13] hw/i386/pc: reduce fw_cfg boot cpu count taking into account " Ashish Kalra
2021-08-16 14:01 ` [RFC PATCH 00/13] Add support for Mirror VM Claudio Fontana
2021-08-16 14:15 ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-08-16 14:23   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-08-16 15:00     ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-08-16 15:16       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-08-16 15:35         ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-08-16 14:44   ` Ashish Kalra
2021-08-16 14:58     ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-08-16 15:13       ` Ashish Kalra
2021-08-16 15:38         ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-08-16 15:48           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-18 10:31           ` Ashish Kalra
2021-08-18 11:25             ` James Bottomley
2021-08-18 15:31               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-18 15:35                 ` James Bottomley
2021-08-18 15:43                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-18 16:28                     ` James Bottomley
2021-08-18 17:30                       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-18 18:51                         ` James Bottomley
2021-08-18 19:47             ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-08-16 17:23   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert [this message]
2021-08-16 20:53     ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-08-16 23:53 ` Steve Rutherford
2021-08-17  7:05   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-08-17  8:38   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-17 14:08     ` Ashish Kalra
2021-08-17 16:32   ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-08-17 20:50     ` Tobin Feldman-Fitzthum
2021-08-17 22:04       ` Steve Rutherford
2021-08-18 15:32         ` Tobin Feldman-Fitzthum
2021-08-18 19:04           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-18 21:42             ` Tobin Feldman-Fitzthum
2021-08-19  8:22               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-19 14:06                 ` James Bottomley
2021-08-19 14:28                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-19 22:10                     ` James Bottomley
2021-08-23 12:26                       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-08-23 16:28                         ` Tobin Feldman-Fitzthum
2021-08-19 14:07                 ` Tobin Feldman-Fitzthum
2021-08-17 23:20       ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-08-17 21:54     ` Steve Rutherford
2021-08-17 22:37       ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-08-17 22:57         ` James Bottomley
2021-08-17 23:10           ` Steve Rutherford
2021-08-18  2:49             ` James Bottomley
2021-08-18 14:06         ` Ashish Kalra
2021-08-18 17:07           ` Ashish Kalra
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-08-16 15:07 Tobin Feldman-Fitzthum

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