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From: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: "Andrew Jones" <drjones@redhat.com>,
	"Juan Quintela" <quintela@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	"Dr . David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	"Leonardo Bras Soares Passos" <lsoaresp@redhat.com>,
	"David Gibson" <dgibson@redhat.com>,
	"Marc-André Lureau" <marcandre.lureau@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] dump-guest-memory: Add blocker for migration
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2021 17:32:52 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YSa3BAyTZJ/L0Few@t490s> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87zgt66jtn.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org>

Markus,

On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 09:54:12AM +0200, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com> writes:
> 
> > Both dump-guest-memory and live migration have vm state cached internally.
> > Allowing them to happen together means the vm state can be messed up.  Simply
> > block live migration for dump-guest-memory.
> >
> > One trivial thing to mention is we should still allow dump-guest-memory even if
> > -only-migratable is specified, because that flag should majorly be used to
> > guarantee not adding devices that will block migration by accident.  Dump guest
> > memory is not like that - it'll only block for the seconds when it's dumping.
> 
> I recently ran into a similarly unusual use of migration blockers:
> 
>     Subject: -only-migrate and the two different uses of migration blockers
>      (was: spapr_events: Sure we may ignore migrate_add_blocker() failure?)
>     Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 13:00:20 +0200 (5 weeks, 1 day, 20 hours ago)
>     Message-ID: <87sg0amuuz.fsf_-_@dusky.pond.sub.org>
> 
>     We appear to use migration blockers in two ways:
> 
>     (1) Prevent migration for an indefinite time, typically due to use of
>     some feature that isn't compatible with migration.
> 
>     (2) Delay migration for a short time.
> 
>     Option -only-migrate is designed for (1).  It interferes with (2).
> 
>     Example for (1): device "x-pci-proxy-dev" doesn't support migration.  It
>     adds a migration blocker on realize, and deletes it on unrealize.  With
>     -only-migrate, device realize fails.  Works as designed.
> 
>     Example for (2): spapr_mce_req_event() makes an effort to prevent
>     migration degrate the reporting of FWNMIs.  It adds a migration blocker
>     when it receives one, and deletes it when it's done handling it.  This
>     is a best effort; if migration is already in progress by the time FWNMI
>     is received, we simply carry on, and that's okay.  However, option
>     -only-migrate sabotages the best effort entirely.
> 
>     While this isn't exactly terrible, it may be a weakness in our thinking
>     and our infrastructure.  I'm bringing it up so the people in charge are
>     aware :)
> 
> https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2021-07/msg04723.html
> 
> Downthread there, Dave Gilbert opined
> 
>     It almost feels like they need a way to temporarily hold off
>     'completion' of migratio - i.e. the phase where we stop the CPU and
>     write the device data;  mind you you'd also probably want it to stop
>     cold-migrates/snapshots?

Yeah, maybe spapr_mce_req_event() can be another candidate of the internal
version of migration_add_blocker().

I can add a patch to replace it if anyone likes me to.

Both cold and live snapshot should have checked migration blockers, I think.
E.g., cold snapshot has:

bool save_snapshot(const char *name, bool overwrite, const char *vmstate,
                  bool has_devices, strList *devices, Error **errp)
{
    [...]
    if (migration_is_blocked(errp)) {
        return false;
    }
    [...]
}

While the live snapshot shares similar code in migrate_prepare().

So looks safe that nothing wrong should happen within add/del pair of blockers.

However I do see that it's possible we'll allow the add_blocker to succeed even
if during cold snapshot, because migration_is_idle() in migration_add_blocker()
only checks migration state, not RUN_STATE_SAVE_VM.  So I'm wondering whether
we'd like one more patch to cover that too, like:

---8<---
diff --git a/migration/migration.c b/migration/migration.c
index 41429680c2..9c602a4ac1 100644
--- a/migration/migration.c
+++ b/migration/migration.c
@@ -2055,15 +2055,16 @@ void migrate_init(MigrationState *s)
 
 int migrate_add_blocker_internal(Error *reason, Error **errp)
 {
-    if (migration_is_idle()) {
-        migration_blockers = g_slist_prepend(migration_blockers, reason);
-        return 0;
+    /* Snapshots are similar to migrations, so check RUN_STATE_SAVE_VM too. */
+    if (runstate_check(RUN_STATE_SAVE_VM) || !migration_is_idle()) {
+        error_propagate_prepend(errp, error_copy(reason),
+                                "disallowing migration blocker "
+                                "(migration in progress) for: ");
+        return -EBUSY;
     }
 
-    error_propagate_prepend(errp, error_copy(reason),
-                            "disallowing migration blocker "
-                            "(migration in progress) for: ");
-    return -EBUSY;
+    migration_blockers = g_slist_prepend(migration_blockers, reason);
+    return 0;
 }
 
 int migrate_add_blocker(Error *reason, Error **errp)
---8<---

It'll by accident also cover guest dump which also sets RUN_STATE_SAVE_VM, but
I think that's ok.

Thanks,

-- 
Peter Xu



  reply	other threads:[~2021-08-25 21:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-24 15:27 [PATCH 0/2] dump-guest-memory: Add blocker for migration Peter Xu
2021-08-24 15:27 ` [PATCH 1/2] migration: Add migrate_add_blocker_internal() Peter Xu
2021-08-24 18:04   ` Marc-André Lureau
2021-08-25  8:04   ` Juan Quintela
2021-08-24 15:27 ` [PATCH 2/2] dump-guest-memory: Block live migration Peter Xu
2021-08-24 18:04   ` Marc-André Lureau
2021-08-24 19:39     ` Peter Xu
2021-08-25  7:36   ` Marc-André Lureau
2021-08-25 20:48     ` Peter Xu
2021-08-25  7:54 ` [PATCH 0/2] dump-guest-memory: Add blocker for migration Markus Armbruster
2021-08-25 21:32   ` Peter Xu [this message]
2021-09-01 11:35     ` Markus Armbruster
2021-09-03 16:08       ` Peter Xu

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