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From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
To: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: "Tom Lendacky" <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>,
	"Brijesh Singh" <brijesh.singh@amd.com>,
	"Eduardo Habkost" <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, "Michael S . Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Connor Kuehl" <ckuehl@redhat.com>,
	"Michael Roth" <michael.roth@amd.com>,
	"James Bottomley" <jejb@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Markus Armbruster" <armbru@redhat.com>,
	"Eric Blake" <eblake@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Dov Murik" <dovmurik@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@redhat.com>,
	"David Gibson" <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 12/12] i386/sev: update query-sev QAPI format to handle SEV-SNP
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2021 12:52:54 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YTdSlg5NymDQex5T@work-vm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YTJGzrnqO9vzUqNq@redhat.com>

* Daniel P. Berrangé (berrange@redhat.com) wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 01, 2021 at 04:14:10PM +0200, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> > Michael Roth <michael.roth@amd.com> writes:
> > 
> > > Most of the current 'query-sev' command is relevant to both legacy
> > > SEV/SEV-ES guests and SEV-SNP guests, with 2 exceptions:
> > >
> > >   - 'policy' is a 64-bit field for SEV-SNP, not 32-bit, and
> > >     the meaning of the bit positions has changed
> > >   - 'handle' is not relevant to SEV-SNP
> > >
> > > To address this, this patch adds a new 'sev-type' field that can be
> > > used as a discriminator to select between SEV and SEV-SNP-specific
> > > fields/formats without breaking compatibility for existing management
> > > tools (so long as management tools that add support for launching
> > > SEV-SNP guest update their handling of query-sev appropriately).
> > 
> > Technically a compatibility break: query-sev can now return an object
> > that whose member @policy has different meaning, and also lacks @handle.
> > 
> > Matrix:
> > 
> >                             Old mgmt app    New mgmt app
> >     Old QEMU, SEV/SEV-ES       good            good(1)
> >     New QEMU, SEV/SEV-ES       good(2)         good
> >     New QEMU, SEV-SNP           bad(3)         good
> > 
> > Notes:
> > 
> > (1) As long as the management application can cope with absent member
> > @sev-type.
> > 
> > (2) As long as the management application ignores unknown member
> > @sev-type.
> > 
> > (3) Management application may choke on missing member @handle, or
> > worse, misinterpret member @policy.  Can only happen when something
> > other than the management application created the SEV-SNP guest (or the
> > user somehow made the management application create one even though it
> > doesn't know how, say with CLI option passthrough, but that's always
> > fragile, and I wouldn't worry about it here).
> > 
> > I think (1) and (2) are reasonable.  (3) is an issue for management
> > applications that support attaching to existing guests.  Thoughts?
> 
> IIUC you can only reach scenario (3) if you have created a guest
> using '-object sev-snp-guest', which is a new feature introduced
> in patch 2.
> 
> IOW, scenario (3)  old mgmt app + new QEMU + sev-snp guest does
> not exist as a combination. Thus the (bad) field is actually (n/a)
> 
> So I believe this proposed change is acceptable in all scenarios
> with existing deployed usage, as well as all newly introduced
> scenarios.

I wonder if it's worth going firther and renaming 'policy' in the 
SNP world to 'snppolicy' just to reduce the risk of accidentally
specifying the wrong one.

Dave

> Regards,
> Daniel
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Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK



  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-09-07 11:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-26 22:26 [RFC PATCH v2 00/12] Add AMD Secure Nested Paging (SEV-SNP) support Michael Roth
2021-08-26 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/12] i386/sev: introduce "sev-common" type to encapsulate common SEV state Michael Roth
2021-09-01 14:18   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-09-03 15:11     ` Michael Roth
2021-08-26 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/12] linux-header: add the SNP specific command Michael Roth
2021-09-03 20:36   ` Dov Murik
2021-09-07 14:27     ` Michael Roth
2021-08-26 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/12] i386/sev: introduce 'sev-snp-guest' object Michael Roth
2021-09-01 14:29   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-09-03 15:15     ` Michael Roth
2021-09-03 21:12   ` Dov Murik
2021-09-07 14:20     ` Michael Roth
2021-08-26 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/12] i386/sev: initialize SNP context Michael Roth
2021-09-05  7:07   ` Dov Murik
2021-09-05 13:58     ` Brijesh Singh
2021-09-05 17:09       ` Dov Murik
2021-09-05  9:19   ` Dov Murik
2021-09-05 14:05     ` Brijesh Singh
2021-09-05 17:03       ` Dov Murik
2021-08-26 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/12] i386/sev: add the SNP launch start context Michael Roth
2021-08-26 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/12] i386/sev: add support to encrypt BIOS when SEV-SNP is enabled Michael Roth
2021-08-26 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/12] i386/sev: populate secrets and cpuid page and finalize the SNP launch Michael Roth
2021-09-03 20:24   ` Dov Murik
2021-09-07 16:18     ` Michael Roth
2021-08-26 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/12] target/i386: set SEV-SNP CPUID bit when SNP enabled Michael Roth
2021-08-26 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/12] target/i386: allow versioned CPUs to specify new cache_info Michael Roth
2021-08-26 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/12] target/i386: add new EPYC CPU versions with updated cache_info Michael Roth
2021-08-26 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/12] i386/sev: sev-snp: add support for CPUID validation Michael Roth
2021-09-05 10:02   ` Dov Murik
2021-09-07 16:50     ` Michael Roth
2021-09-07 17:44       ` Dov Murik
2021-08-26 22:26 ` [RFC PATCH v2 12/12] i386/sev: update query-sev QAPI format to handle SEV-SNP Michael Roth
2021-09-01 14:14   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-09-03 15:13     ` Michael Roth
2021-09-03 15:30       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-03 15:43         ` Michael Roth via
2021-09-03 15:58           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-03 16:01     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-04  5:41       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-09-07 11:52       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert [this message]
2021-09-07 14:33         ` Michael Roth via
2021-09-03 15:27   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-11-16  9:23 ` [RFC PATCH v2 00/12] Add AMD Secure Nested Paging (SEV-SNP) support Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-11-16 11:54   ` Brijesh Singh

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