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From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
To: John Levon <john.levon@nutanix.com>
Cc: "elena.ufimtseva@oracle.com" <elena.ufimtseva@oracle.com>,
	"john.g.johnson@oracle.com" <john.g.johnson@oracle.com>,
	"thuth@redhat.com" <thuth@redhat.com>,
	Jagannathan Raman <jag.raman@oracle.com>,
	Swapnil Ingle <swapnil.ingle@nutanix.com>,
	"philmd@redhat.com" <philmd@redhat.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"alex.williamson@redhat.com" <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	"marcandre.lureau@gmail.com" <marcandre.lureau@gmail.com>,
	Thanos Makatos <thanos.makatos@nutanix.com>,
	"alex.bennee@linaro.org" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC server v2 05/11] vfio-user: run vfio-user context
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2021 16:02:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YTjQfvz6PmpFH/QL@stefanha-x1.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YTi8sYZkET5tffj/@movementarian.org>

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On Wed, Sep 08, 2021 at 01:37:53PM +0000, John Levon wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 08, 2021 at 01:58:46PM +0100, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> 
> > > +static void *vfu_object_attach_ctx(void *opaque)
> > > +{
> > > +    VfuObject *o = opaque;
> > > +    int ret;
> > > +
> > > +retry_attach:
> > > +    ret = vfu_attach_ctx(o->vfu_ctx);
> > > +    if (ret < 0 && (errno == EAGAIN || errno == EWOULDBLOCK)) {
> > 
> > Does this loop consume 100% CPU since this is non-blocking?
> 
> Looks like it. Instead after vfu_create_ctx, there should be a vfu_get_poll_fd()
> to get the listen socket, then a qemu_set_fd_handler(vfu_object_attach_ctx)
> to handle the attach when the listen socket is ready, modulo the below part.
> 
> > libvfio-user has non-blocking listen_fd but conn_fd is always blocking.
> 
> It is, but in vfu_run_ctx(), we poll on it:
> 
> ```
> 790     if (vfu_ctx->flags & LIBVFIO_USER_FLAG_ATTACH_NB) {                          
> 791         sock_flags = MSG_DONTWAIT | MSG_WAITALL;                                 
> 792     }                                                                            
> 793     return get_msg(hdr, sizeof(*hdr), fds, nr_fds, ts->conn_fd, sock_flags);     
> ```

This is only used for the request header. Other I/O is blocking.

> 
> > This means ATTACH_NB is not useful because vfu_attach_ctx() is actually
> > blocking.
> 
> You're correct that vfu_attach_ctx is in fact partially blocking: after
> accepting the connection, we call negotiate(), which can indeed block waiting if
> the client hasn't sent anything.
> 
> > I think this means vfu_run_ctx() is also blocking in some places
> 
> Correct. There's a presumption that if a message is ready, we can read it all
> without blocking, and equally that we can write to the socket without blocking.
> 
> The library docs are not at all clear on this point.
> 
> > and QEMU's event loop might hang :(
> > 
> > Can you make libvfio-user non-blocking in order to solve these issues?
> 
> I presume you're concerned about the security aspect: a malicious client could
> withhold a write, and hence hang the device server.
> 
> Problem is the libvfio-user API is synchronous: there's no way to return
> half-way through a vfu_attach_ctx() (or a vfu_run_ctx() after we read the
> header) then resume.
> 
> We'd have to have a whole separate API to do that, so a separate thread seems a
> better approach?

Whether to support non-blocking properly in libvfio-user is a decision
for you. If libvfio-user doesn't support non-blocking, then QEMU should
run a dedicated thread instead of the partially non-blocking approach in
this patch.

A non-blocking approach is nice when there are many devices hosted in a
single process or a lot of async replies (which requires extra thread
synchronization with the blocking approach).

Stefan

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-08 15:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-08-16 16:42 [PATCH RFC v2 00/16] vfio-user implementation Elena Ufimtseva
2021-08-16 16:42 ` [PATCH RFC v2 01/16] vfio-user: introduce vfio-user protocol specification Elena Ufimtseva
2021-08-17 23:04   ` Alex Williamson
2021-08-19  9:28     ` Swapnil Ingle
2021-08-19 15:32     ` John Johnson
2021-08-19 16:26       ` Alex Williamson
2021-08-16 16:42 ` [PATCH RFC v2 02/16] vfio-user: add VFIO base abstract class Elena Ufimtseva
2021-08-16 16:42 ` [PATCH RFC v2 03/16] vfio-user: Define type vfio_user_pci_dev_info Elena Ufimtseva
2021-08-24 13:52   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-16 16:42 ` [PATCH RFC v2 04/16] vfio-user: connect vfio proxy to remote server Elena Ufimtseva
2021-08-18 18:47   ` Alex Williamson
2021-08-19 14:10     ` John Johnson
2021-08-24 14:15   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-30  3:00     ` John Johnson
2021-09-07 13:21       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-09-09  5:11         ` John Johnson
2021-09-09  6:29           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-09-10  5:25             ` John Johnson
2021-09-13 12:35               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-09-13 17:23               ` John Johnson
2021-09-14 13:06                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-09-15  0:21                   ` John Johnson
2021-09-15 13:04                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-09-15 19:14                       ` John Johnson
2021-09-16 11:49                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-16 16:42 ` [PATCH RFC v2 05/16] vfio-user: define VFIO Proxy and communication functions Elena Ufimtseva
2021-08-24 15:14   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-30  3:04     ` John Johnson
2021-09-07 13:35       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-16 16:42 ` [PATCH RFC v2 06/16] vfio-user: negotiate version with remote server Elena Ufimtseva
2021-08-24 15:59   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-30  3:08     ` John Johnson
2021-09-07 13:52       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-16 16:42 ` [PATCH RFC v2 07/16] vfio-user: get device info Elena Ufimtseva
2021-08-24 16:04   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-30  3:11     ` John Johnson
2021-09-07 13:54       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-16 16:42 ` [PATCH RFC v2 08/16] vfio-user: get region info Elena Ufimtseva
2021-09-07 14:31   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-09-09  5:35     ` John Johnson
2021-09-09  5:59       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-16 16:42 ` [PATCH RFC v2 09/16] vfio-user: region read/write Elena Ufimtseva
2021-09-07 14:41   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-09-07 17:24   ` John Levon
2021-09-09  6:00     ` John Johnson
2021-09-09 12:05       ` John Levon
2021-09-10  6:07         ` John Johnson
2021-09-10 12:16           ` John Levon
2021-08-16 16:42 ` [PATCH RFC v2 10/16] vfio-user: pci_user_realize PCI setup Elena Ufimtseva
2021-09-07 15:00   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-16 16:42 ` [PATCH RFC v2 11/16] vfio-user: get and set IRQs Elena Ufimtseva
2021-09-07 15:14   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-09-09  5:50     ` John Johnson
2021-09-09 13:50       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-16 16:42 ` [PATCH RFC v2 12/16] vfio-user: proxy container connect/disconnect Elena Ufimtseva
2021-09-08  8:30   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-16 16:42 ` [PATCH RFC v2 13/16] vfio-user: dma map/unmap operations Elena Ufimtseva
2021-09-08  9:16   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-16 16:42 ` [PATCH RFC v2 14/16] vfio-user: dma read/write operations Elena Ufimtseva
2021-09-08  9:51   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-09-08 11:03     ` John Levon
2021-08-16 16:42 ` [PATCH RFC v2 15/16] vfio-user: pci reset Elena Ufimtseva
2021-09-08  9:56   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-16 16:42 ` [PATCH RFC v2 16/16] vfio-user: migration support Elena Ufimtseva
2021-09-08 10:04   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-27 17:53 ` [PATCH RFC server v2 00/11] vfio-user server in QEMU Jagannathan Raman
2021-08-27 17:53   ` [PATCH RFC server v2 01/11] vfio-user: build library Jagannathan Raman
2021-08-27 18:05     ` Jag Raman
2021-09-08 12:25     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-09-10 15:21       ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-13 12:15         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-09-10 15:20     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-10 17:08       ` Jag Raman
2021-09-11 22:29       ` John Levon
2021-09-13 10:19         ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-08-27 17:53   ` [PATCH RFC server v2 02/11] vfio-user: define vfio-user object Jagannathan Raman
2021-09-08 12:37     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-09-10 14:04       ` Jag Raman
2021-08-27 17:53   ` [PATCH RFC server v2 03/11] vfio-user: instantiate vfio-user context Jagannathan Raman
2021-09-08 12:40     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-09-10 14:58       ` Jag Raman
2021-08-27 17:53   ` [PATCH RFC server v2 04/11] vfio-user: find and init PCI device Jagannathan Raman
2021-09-08 12:43     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-09-10 15:02       ` Jag Raman
2021-08-27 17:53   ` [PATCH RFC server v2 05/11] vfio-user: run vfio-user context Jagannathan Raman
2021-09-08 12:58     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-09-08 13:37       ` John Levon
2021-09-08 15:02         ` Stefan Hajnoczi [this message]
2021-09-08 15:21           ` John Levon
2021-09-08 15:46             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-27 17:53   ` [PATCH RFC server v2 06/11] vfio-user: handle PCI config space accesses Jagannathan Raman
2021-09-09  7:27     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-09-10 16:22       ` Jag Raman
2021-09-13 12:13         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-27 17:53   ` [PATCH RFC server v2 07/11] vfio-user: handle DMA mappings Jagannathan Raman
2021-09-09  7:29     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-27 17:53   ` [PATCH RFC server v2 08/11] vfio-user: handle PCI BAR accesses Jagannathan Raman
2021-09-09  7:37     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-09-10 16:36       ` Jag Raman
2021-08-27 17:53   ` [PATCH RFC server v2 09/11] vfio-user: handle device interrupts Jagannathan Raman
2021-09-09  7:40     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-27 17:53   ` [PATCH RFC server v2 10/11] vfio-user: register handlers to facilitate migration Jagannathan Raman
2021-09-09  8:14     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-08-27 17:53   ` [PATCH RFC server v2 11/11] vfio-user: acceptance test Jagannathan Raman
2021-09-08 10:08   ` [PATCH RFC server v2 00/11] vfio-user server in QEMU Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-09-08 12:06     ` Jag Raman
2021-09-09  8:17   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-09-10 14:02     ` Jag Raman

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