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From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: "Peter Maydell" <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 05/53] docs/devel: document expectations for HMP commands in the future
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 17:14:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YUtWd5oNATbtsTxe@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87pmt33c38.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org>

On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 10:06:35AM +0200, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@redhat.com> writes:
> 
> > We no longer wish to have commands implemented in HMP only. All commands
> > should start with a QMP implementation and the HMP merely be a shim
> > around this. To reduce the burden of implementing QMP commands where
> > there is low expectation of machine usage, requirements for QAPI
> > modelling are relaxed provided the command is under the "x-" name
> > prefix.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@redhat.com>
> > ---
> >  docs/devel/writing-monitor-commands.rst | 10 ++++++++++
> >  1 file changed, 10 insertions(+)
> >
> > diff --git a/docs/devel/writing-monitor-commands.rst b/docs/devel/writing-monitor-commands.rst
> > index 4cf51ab557..983130a793 100644
> > --- a/docs/devel/writing-monitor-commands.rst
> > +++ b/docs/devel/writing-monitor-commands.rst
> > @@ -11,6 +11,16 @@ For an in-depth introduction to the QAPI framework, please refer to
> >  docs/devel/qapi-code-gen.txt. For documentation about the QMP protocol,
> >  start with docs/interop/qmp-intro.txt.
> >  
> > +Historically QEMU has permitted new monitor commands to be implemented in HMP
> > +only, QMP only, or both, depending on whether they needed to be accessible to
> > +human operators, machines, or both. When both QMP and HMP are implemented it
> > +is expected the HMP implementation is a shim around the QMP implementation.
> > +Going forward, the expectation is that new commands are implemented in QMP
> > +only, or both QMP and HMP. No further commands are to be added to HMP only.
> > +The long term goal is that all HMP commands will be implemented in terms of
> > +their QMP equivalent, enabling internals of QEMU to be fully isolated from
> 
> This feels a bit too tight.  Most HMP commands are going to wrap around
> their equivalent QMP command.  However, high-level HMP commands built
> from low-level QMP building blocks remain permissble.
> 
> > +the HMP implementation. Refer to the later topic on modelling data in QAPI
> 
> Suggest to use the exact section name for easy searching, or even
> better, make it a link.
> 
> > +for further guidance on commands that would have traditionally been HMP only.
> >  
> >  Overview
> >  --------
> 
> Discussing history is quite valuable in commit messages, but less so in
> a "how to do stuff" document.  Consider cutting this down some.  What
> about:
> 
>     New commands may be implemented in QMP only.  New HMP commands should be
>     implemented on top of QMP.  The typical HMP command wraps around an
>     equivalent QMP command, but HMP convenience commands built from QMP
>     building blocks are also fine.  The long term goal is to make all
>     existing HMP commands conform to this, to fully isolate HMP from the
>     internals of QEMU.

That's good with me. I'll just add the final sentance linking to the
later illustration for debugging aids.

Regards,
Daniel
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  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-22 16:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-09-14 14:19 [PATCH v2 00/53] monitor: explicitly permit QMP commands to be added for all use cases Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:19 ` [PATCH v2 01/53] docs/devel: rename file for writing monitor commands Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-20  7:42   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-09-22 16:02     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:19 ` [PATCH v2 02/53] docs/devel: tweak headings in monitor command docs Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-20  7:42   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-09-14 14:19 ` [PATCH v2 03/53] docs/devel: document expectations for QAPI data modelling for QMP Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-20  7:44   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-09-14 14:19 ` [PATCH v2 04/53] docs/devel: add example of command returning unstructured text Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-20  7:51   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-09-14 14:19 ` [PATCH v2 05/53] docs/devel: document expectations for HMP commands in the future Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-20  8:06   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-09-22 16:14     ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2021-09-14 14:19 ` [PATCH v2 06/53] hw/core: introduce 'format_state' callback to replace 'dump_state' Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 15:53   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 19:28   ` Greg Kurz
2021-09-14 14:19 ` [PATCH v2 07/53] target/alpha: convert to use format_state instead of dump_state Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15  7:10   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 14:19 ` [PATCH v2 08/53] target/arm: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:19 ` [PATCH v2 09/53] target/avr: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15  7:13   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-15  8:49     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15  8:58       ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 14:19 ` [PATCH v2 10/53] target/cris: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15  7:33   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 11/53] target/hexagon: delete unused hexagon_debug() method Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:50   ` Taylor Simpson
2021-09-15  7:00   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 12/53] target/hexagon: convert to use format_state instead of dump_state Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15  7:14   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 13/53] target/hppa: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15  7:15   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 14/53] target/i386: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 15/53] target/m68k: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 19:58   ` Laurent Vivier
2021-09-15  7:17   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 16/53] target/microblaze: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15  7:18   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-15  7:21     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-15  7:23       ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 17/53] target/mips: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15  7:04   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 18/53] target/nios2: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15  7:08   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 19/53] target/openrisc: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15  7:19   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 20/53] target/ppc: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 19:30   ` Greg Kurz
2021-09-15  1:37   ` David Gibson
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 21/53] target/riscv: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 22/53] target/rx: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15  7:20   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 23/53] target/s390x: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 24/53] target/sh: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15  7:24   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 25/53] target/sparc: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15  7:27   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-16 10:53   ` Mark Cave-Ayland
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 26/53] target/tricore: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15  7:29   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 27/53] target/xtensa: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15  7:32   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-15  7:54     ` Max Filippov
2021-09-15  8:52     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15  9:01       ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 28/53] monitor: remove 'info ioapic' HMP command Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 15:50   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 29/53] qapi: introduce x-query-registers QMP command Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 16:04   ` Eric Blake
2021-09-14 17:15     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 17:18       ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 30/53] qapi: introduce x-query-roms " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 16:04   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 16:42     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 31/53] qapi: introduce x-query-profile " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 32/53] qapi: introduce x-query-numa " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 33/53] qapi: introduce x-query-usb " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 34/53] qapi: introduce x-query-rdma " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 35/53] qapi: introduce x-query-ramblock " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 36/53] qapi: introduce x-query-skeys " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 37/53] qapi: introduce x-query-cmma " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 38/53] qapi: introduce x-query-lapic " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-21  5:27   ` Dongli Zhang
2021-09-22 16:30     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 39/53] qapi: introduce x-query-irq " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 40/53] hw/core: drop "dump_state" callback from CPU targets Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 41/53] hw/core: drop support for NULL pointer for FILE * in cpu_dump_state Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 42/53] hw/core: introduce a 'format_tlb' callback Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 15:56   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 16:34     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 17:02       ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 17:12         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 43/53] target/i386: convert to use format_tlb callback Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 44/53] target/m68k: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 19:59   ` Laurent Vivier
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 45/53] target/nios2: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 46/53] target/ppc: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15  1:40   ` David Gibson
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 47/53] target/sh4: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 48/53] target/sparc: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-16 10:54   ` Mark Cave-Ayland
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 49/53] target/xtensa: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15  8:01   ` Max Filippov
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 50/53] monitor: merge duplicate "info tlb" handlers Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15  1:41   ` David Gibson
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 51/53] qapi: introduce x-query-tlb QMP command Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 52/53] qapi: introduce x-query-jit " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 53/53] qapi: introduce x-query-opcount " Daniel P. Berrangé

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