From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 05/53] docs/devel: document expectations for HMP commands in the future
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 17:14:47 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <YUtWd5oNATbtsTxe@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87pmt33c38.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org>
On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 10:06:35AM +0200, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@redhat.com> writes:
>
> > We no longer wish to have commands implemented in HMP only. All commands
> > should start with a QMP implementation and the HMP merely be a shim
> > around this. To reduce the burden of implementing QMP commands where
> > there is low expectation of machine usage, requirements for QAPI
> > modelling are relaxed provided the command is under the "x-" name
> > prefix.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@redhat.com>
> > ---
> > docs/devel/writing-monitor-commands.rst | 10 ++++++++++
> > 1 file changed, 10 insertions(+)
> >
> > diff --git a/docs/devel/writing-monitor-commands.rst b/docs/devel/writing-monitor-commands.rst
> > index 4cf51ab557..983130a793 100644
> > --- a/docs/devel/writing-monitor-commands.rst
> > +++ b/docs/devel/writing-monitor-commands.rst
> > @@ -11,6 +11,16 @@ For an in-depth introduction to the QAPI framework, please refer to
> > docs/devel/qapi-code-gen.txt. For documentation about the QMP protocol,
> > start with docs/interop/qmp-intro.txt.
> >
> > +Historically QEMU has permitted new monitor commands to be implemented in HMP
> > +only, QMP only, or both, depending on whether they needed to be accessible to
> > +human operators, machines, or both. When both QMP and HMP are implemented it
> > +is expected the HMP implementation is a shim around the QMP implementation.
> > +Going forward, the expectation is that new commands are implemented in QMP
> > +only, or both QMP and HMP. No further commands are to be added to HMP only.
> > +The long term goal is that all HMP commands will be implemented in terms of
> > +their QMP equivalent, enabling internals of QEMU to be fully isolated from
>
> This feels a bit too tight. Most HMP commands are going to wrap around
> their equivalent QMP command. However, high-level HMP commands built
> from low-level QMP building blocks remain permissble.
>
> > +the HMP implementation. Refer to the later topic on modelling data in QAPI
>
> Suggest to use the exact section name for easy searching, or even
> better, make it a link.
>
> > +for further guidance on commands that would have traditionally been HMP only.
> >
> > Overview
> > --------
>
> Discussing history is quite valuable in commit messages, but less so in
> a "how to do stuff" document. Consider cutting this down some. What
> about:
>
> New commands may be implemented in QMP only. New HMP commands should be
> implemented on top of QMP. The typical HMP command wraps around an
> equivalent QMP command, but HMP convenience commands built from QMP
> building blocks are also fine. The long term goal is to make all
> existing HMP commands conform to this, to fully isolate HMP from the
> internals of QEMU.
That's good with me. I'll just add the final sentance linking to the
later illustration for debugging aids.
Regards,
Daniel
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-09-22 16:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-09-14 14:19 [PATCH v2 00/53] monitor: explicitly permit QMP commands to be added for all use cases Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:19 ` [PATCH v2 01/53] docs/devel: rename file for writing monitor commands Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-20 7:42 ` Markus Armbruster
2021-09-22 16:02 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:19 ` [PATCH v2 02/53] docs/devel: tweak headings in monitor command docs Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-20 7:42 ` Markus Armbruster
2021-09-14 14:19 ` [PATCH v2 03/53] docs/devel: document expectations for QAPI data modelling for QMP Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-20 7:44 ` Markus Armbruster
2021-09-14 14:19 ` [PATCH v2 04/53] docs/devel: add example of command returning unstructured text Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-20 7:51 ` Markus Armbruster
2021-09-14 14:19 ` [PATCH v2 05/53] docs/devel: document expectations for HMP commands in the future Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-20 8:06 ` Markus Armbruster
2021-09-22 16:14 ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2021-09-14 14:19 ` [PATCH v2 06/53] hw/core: introduce 'format_state' callback to replace 'dump_state' Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 15:53 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 19:28 ` Greg Kurz
2021-09-14 14:19 ` [PATCH v2 07/53] target/alpha: convert to use format_state instead of dump_state Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15 7:10 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 14:19 ` [PATCH v2 08/53] target/arm: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:19 ` [PATCH v2 09/53] target/avr: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15 7:13 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-15 8:49 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15 8:58 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 14:19 ` [PATCH v2 10/53] target/cris: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15 7:33 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 11/53] target/hexagon: delete unused hexagon_debug() method Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:50 ` Taylor Simpson
2021-09-15 7:00 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 12/53] target/hexagon: convert to use format_state instead of dump_state Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15 7:14 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 13/53] target/hppa: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15 7:15 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 14/53] target/i386: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 15/53] target/m68k: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 19:58 ` Laurent Vivier
2021-09-15 7:17 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 16/53] target/microblaze: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15 7:18 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-15 7:21 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-15 7:23 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 17/53] target/mips: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15 7:04 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 18/53] target/nios2: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15 7:08 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 19/53] target/openrisc: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15 7:19 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 20/53] target/ppc: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 19:30 ` Greg Kurz
2021-09-15 1:37 ` David Gibson
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 21/53] target/riscv: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 22/53] target/rx: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15 7:20 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 23/53] target/s390x: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 24/53] target/sh: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15 7:24 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 25/53] target/sparc: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15 7:27 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-16 10:53 ` Mark Cave-Ayland
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 26/53] target/tricore: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15 7:29 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 27/53] target/xtensa: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15 7:32 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-15 7:54 ` Max Filippov
2021-09-15 8:52 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15 9:01 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 28/53] monitor: remove 'info ioapic' HMP command Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 15:50 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 29/53] qapi: introduce x-query-registers QMP command Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 16:04 ` Eric Blake
2021-09-14 17:15 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 17:18 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 30/53] qapi: introduce x-query-roms " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 16:04 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 16:42 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 31/53] qapi: introduce x-query-profile " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 32/53] qapi: introduce x-query-numa " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 33/53] qapi: introduce x-query-usb " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 34/53] qapi: introduce x-query-rdma " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 35/53] qapi: introduce x-query-ramblock " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 36/53] qapi: introduce x-query-skeys " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 37/53] qapi: introduce x-query-cmma " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 38/53] qapi: introduce x-query-lapic " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-21 5:27 ` Dongli Zhang
2021-09-22 16:30 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 39/53] qapi: introduce x-query-irq " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 40/53] hw/core: drop "dump_state" callback from CPU targets Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 41/53] hw/core: drop support for NULL pointer for FILE * in cpu_dump_state Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 42/53] hw/core: introduce a 'format_tlb' callback Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 15:56 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 16:34 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 17:02 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-09-14 17:12 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 43/53] target/i386: convert to use format_tlb callback Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 44/53] target/m68k: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 19:59 ` Laurent Vivier
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 45/53] target/nios2: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 46/53] target/ppc: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15 1:40 ` David Gibson
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 47/53] target/sh4: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 48/53] target/sparc: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-16 10:54 ` Mark Cave-Ayland
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 49/53] target/xtensa: " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15 8:01 ` Max Filippov
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 50/53] monitor: merge duplicate "info tlb" handlers Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-15 1:41 ` David Gibson
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 51/53] qapi: introduce x-query-tlb QMP command Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 52/53] qapi: introduce x-query-jit " Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-09-14 14:20 ` [PATCH v2 53/53] qapi: introduce x-query-opcount " Daniel P. Berrangé
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