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From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
To: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
Cc: pkrempa@redhat.com, berrange@redhat.com, ehabkost@redhat.com,
	qemu-block@nongnu.org, quintela@redhat.com,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, eblake@redhat.com,
	mdroth@linux.vnet.ibm.com, Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	libvir-list@redhat.com, pbonzini@redhat.com,
	marcandre.lureau@redhat.com, jsnow@redhat.com,
	libguestfs@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/9] qapi: New special feature flag "unstable"
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:22:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YXfIx171QE5ig/Pw@work-vm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YXewOaSDEXJDYV+1@redhat.com>

* Kevin Wolf (kwolf@redhat.com) wrote:
> Am 25.10.2021 um 07:25 hat Markus Armbruster geschrieben:
> > By convention, names starting with "x-" are experimental.  The parts
> > of external interfaces so named may be withdrawn or changed
> > incompatibly in future releases.
> > 
> > Drawback: promoting something from experimental to stable involves a
> > name change.  Client code needs to be updated.
> > 
> > Moreover, the convention is not universally observed:
> > 
> > * QOM type "input-barrier" has properties "x-origin", "y-origin".
> >   Looks accidental, but it's ABI since 4.2.
> > 
> > * QOM types "memory-backend-file", "memory-backend-memfd",
> >   "memory-backend-ram", and "memory-backend-epc" have a property
> >   "x-use-canonical-path-for-ramblock-id" that is documented to be
> >   stable despite its name.
> > 
> > We could document these exceptions, but documentation helps only
> > humans.  We want to recognize "unstable" in code, like "deprecated".
> > 
> > Replace the convention by a new special feature flag "unstable".  It
> > will be recognized by the QAPI generator, like the existing feature
> > flag "deprecated", and unlike regular feature flags.
> > 
> > This commit updates documentation and prepares tests.  The next commit
> > updates the QAPI schema.  The remaining patches update the QAPI
> > generator and wire up -compat policy checking.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
> 
> Obviously, replacing the old convention gets rid of the old drawbacks,
> but adds a new one: While using x- makes it very obvious for a human
> user that this is an unstable feature, a feature flag in the schema will
> almost certainly go unnoticed in manual use.

Agreed, I'd keep the x- as well.

Having said that, the x- represents a few different things (that we
don't currently distinguish):
  - experimental
  - for internal use
  - for debugging/human use

Dave

> Kevin
> 
-- 
Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK



  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-10-26  9:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-25  5:25 [PATCH 0/9] Configurable policy for handling unstable interfaces Markus Armbruster
2021-10-25  5:25 ` [PATCH 1/9] qapi: New special feature flag "unstable" Markus Armbruster
2021-10-25  7:15   ` Juan Quintela
2021-10-25 12:05   ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2021-10-25 12:18     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-10-26  7:15     ` Markus Armbruster
2021-10-26  8:14       ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2021-10-25 19:01   ` John Snow
2021-10-26  5:35     ` Markus Armbruster
2021-10-26  7:37   ` Kevin Wolf
2021-10-26  8:36     ` [Libguestfs] " Kashyap Chamarthy
2021-10-26  9:22     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert [this message]
2021-10-26  9:28       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-10-26  9:37     ` Markus Armbruster
2021-10-26 11:34       ` Kevin Wolf
2021-10-28  8:36         ` Markus Armbruster
2021-10-26 14:56       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-10-26 15:15         ` Markus Armbruster
2021-10-26 15:22           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-10-27  5:29             ` Markus Armbruster
2021-10-25  5:25 ` [PATCH 2/9] qapi: Mark unstable QMP parts with feature 'unstable' Markus Armbruster
2021-10-25  7:16   ` Juan Quintela
2021-10-25 19:05   ` John Snow
2021-10-26  7:56     ` Markus Armbruster
2021-10-26 16:34       ` John Snow
2021-10-27  5:44         ` Markus Armbruster
2021-10-29 13:07   ` Eric Blake
2021-11-02  9:15     ` Kevin Wolf
2021-10-25  5:25 ` [PATCH 3/9] qapi: Eliminate QCO_NO_OPTIONS for a slight simplification Markus Armbruster
2021-10-25  7:17   ` Juan Quintela
2021-10-25 19:08   ` John Snow
2021-10-26  7:58     ` Markus Armbruster
2021-10-25  5:25 ` [PATCH 4/9] qapi: Tools for sets of special feature flags in generated code Markus Armbruster
2021-10-25 19:21   ` John Snow
2021-10-26  8:48     ` Markus Armbruster
2021-10-25  5:25 ` [PATCH 5/9] qapi: Generalize struct member policy checking Markus Armbruster
2021-10-25 19:28   ` John Snow
2021-10-26  9:14     ` Markus Armbruster
2021-10-26 15:43   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-10-27  5:56     ` Markus Armbruster
2021-10-25  5:25 ` [PATCH 6/9] qapi: Generalize command " Markus Armbruster
2021-10-25 12:04   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-10-26  9:40     ` Markus Armbruster
2021-10-25 19:30   ` John Snow
2021-10-25  5:25 ` [PATCH 7/9] qapi: Generalize enum member " Markus Armbruster
2021-10-25 19:36   ` John Snow
2021-10-26  9:43     ` Markus Armbruster
2021-10-26 16:14       ` John Snow
2021-10-25  5:25 ` [PATCH 8/9] qapi: Factor out compat_policy_input_ok() Markus Armbruster
2021-10-25 12:13   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-10-26  9:46     ` Markus Armbruster
2021-10-26 10:39       ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-10-29 14:08         ` Markus Armbruster
2021-10-25 19:38   ` John Snow
2021-10-25  5:25 ` [PATCH 9/9] qapi: Extend -compat to set policy for unstable interfaces Markus Armbruster
2021-10-25 19:40   ` John Snow
2021-10-26 18:45   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2021-10-27  5:59     ` Markus Armbruster

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