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From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
To: "Longpeng(Mike)" <longpeng2@huawei.com>
Cc: mst@redhat.com, jasowang@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	yechuan@huawei.com, xieyongji@bytedance.com,
	arei.gonglei@huawei.com, parav@nvidia.com, sgarzare@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [RFC] vhost-vdpa-net: add vhost-vdpa-net host device support
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 09:16:58 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YbHJivhCDvKo4eB0@stefanha-x1.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20211208052010.1719-1-longpeng2@huawei.com>

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On Wed, Dec 08, 2021 at 01:20:10PM +0800, Longpeng(Mike) wrote:
> From: Longpeng <longpeng2@huawei.com>
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> This patch introduces vhost-vdpa-net device, which is inspired
> by vhost-user-blk and the proposal of vhost-vdpa-blk device [1].
> 
> I've tested this patch on Huawei's offload card:
> ./x86_64-softmmu/qemu-system-x86_64 \
>     -device vhost-vdpa-net-pci,vdpa-dev=/dev/vhost-vdpa-0
> 
> For virtio hardware offloading, the most important requirement for us
> is to support live migration between offloading cards from different
> vendors, the combination of netdev and virtio-net seems too heavy, we
> prefer a lightweight way.
> 
> Maybe we could support both in the future ? Such as:
> 
> * Lightweight
>  Net: vhost-vdpa-net
>  Storage: vhost-vdpa-blk
> 
> * Heavy but more powerful
>  Net: netdev + virtio-net + vhost-vdpa
>  Storage: bdrv + virtio-blk + vhost-vdpa
> 
> [1] https://www.mail-archive.com/qemu-devel@nongnu.org/msg797569.html

Stefano presented a plan for vdpa-blk at KVM Forum 2021:
https://kvmforum2021.sched.com/event/ke3a/vdpa-blk-unified-hardware-and-software-offload-for-virtio-blk-stefano-garzarella-red-hat

It's closer to today's virtio-net + vhost-net approach than the
vhost-vdpa-blk device you have mentioned. The idea is to treat vDPA as
an offload feature rather than a completely separate code path that
needs to be maintained and tested. That way QEMU's block layer features
and live migration work with vDPA devices and re-use the virtio-blk
code. The key functionality that has not been implemented yet is a "fast
path" mechanism that allows the QEMU virtio-blk device's virtqueue to be
offloaded to vDPA.

The unified vdpa-blk architecture should deliver the same performance
as the vhost-vdpa-blk device you mentioned but with more features, so I
wonder what aspects of the vhost-vdpa-blk idea are important to you?

QEMU already has vhost-user-blk, which takes a similar approach as the
vhost-vdpa-blk device you are proposing. I'm not against the
vhost-vdpa-blk approach in priciple, but would like to understand your
requirements and see if there is a way to collaborate on one vdpa-blk
implementation instead of dividing our efforts between two.

Stefan

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-12-09  9:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-08  5:20 [RFC] vhost-vdpa-net: add vhost-vdpa-net host device support Longpeng(Mike) via
2021-12-08  6:27 ` Jason Wang
2021-12-11  5:23   ` longpeng2--- via
2021-12-13  3:23     ` Jason Wang
2021-12-14  0:15       ` longpeng2--- via
2021-12-08 19:05 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-12-11  2:43   ` longpeng2--- via
2021-12-09  9:16 ` Stefan Hajnoczi [this message]
2021-12-09 15:55   ` Stefano Garzarella
2021-12-11  4:11     ` longpeng2--- via
2021-12-13 11:10       ` Stefano Garzarella
2021-12-13 15:16       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-12-14  1:44         ` longpeng2--- via
2021-12-14 13:03           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-12-11  3:00   ` longpeng2--- via
2021-12-12  9:30     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-12-13  2:47       ` Jason Wang
2021-12-13 10:58         ` Stefano Garzarella
2021-12-13 15:14         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-12-14  2:22           ` Jason Wang
2021-12-14 13:11             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-12-15  3:18               ` Jason Wang
2021-12-15 10:07                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-12-16  3:01                   ` Jason Wang
2021-12-16  9:10                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-12-17  4:26                       ` Jason Wang
2021-12-17  8:35                         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-12-20  2:48                           ` Jason Wang
2021-12-20  8:11                             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-12-20  9:17                               ` longpeng2--- via
2021-12-20 14:05                                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi

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