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From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: "Damien Hedde" <damien.hedde@greensocs.com>,
	"Mark Burton" <mark.burton@greensocs.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	"Marc-André Lureau" <marcandre.lureau@redhat.com>,
	"Mirela Grujic" <mirela.grujic@greensocs.com>,
	"Edgar E. Iglesias" <edgar.iglesias@gmail.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Redesign of QEMU startup & initial configuration
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 15:39:56 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YbN0zLsDVr3B/s3+@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87czm47a77.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org>

On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 04:26:20PM +0100, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> 
> The existing binary provides bad CLI and limited QMP.
> 
> Going from limited to good QMP involves reworking the startup code.  I
> believe that's easier in a new binary.
> 
> Going from bad CLI to good CLI involves incompatible change.
> Impractical as long as the CLI is a stable interface.  I believe the
> sane way out is a new binary.
> 
> However, I can't see why we'd want to put a good CLI in the old binary
> then.  We could just as well put it in the new binary, or in a wrapper
> program around the new binary.

Having good CLI in a completely new binary is likely to be easier
for users to understand too. The typical pitfall with our existing
binaries is that they provide 4 ways to do the same thing, from
the different points in QEMU's life. This constantly trips up
unsuspecting users and also makes our docs task way more complicated
to think about.

If we're going to have a good CLI, it would ideally only have
one way to do each given task.

No matter what we do we're fighting against a mass of docs
all over the internet talking about 15 years of old QEMU
syntax. If we do a good CLI in a newly named binary, at
least when reading docs, it'll be pretty clear whether
it is talking about the old QEMU or new QEMU binaries,
reducing liklihood of mixing things up.



Regards,
Daniel
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  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-10 15:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-02  6:57 Redesign of QEMU startup & initial configuration Markus Armbruster
2021-12-09 19:11 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-12-09 20:01   ` Mark Burton
2021-12-09 20:28     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-12-10  8:34   ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-12-10 11:25     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-12-10 14:15       ` Mark Burton
2021-12-10 14:26         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-12-10 14:42           ` Mark Burton
2021-12-10 15:13       ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-12-10 15:26     ` Markus Armbruster
2021-12-10 15:39       ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2021-12-13 15:19         ` Markus Armbruster
2021-12-13 17:30           ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-12-13 17:59             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-12-13 20:22               ` Mark Burton
2021-12-14 13:05                 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-12-14 13:11                   ` Mark Burton
2021-12-14 13:21                     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-12-14 13:36                       ` Mark Burton
2021-12-14 13:48                         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-12-14 14:42                           ` Mark Burton
2021-12-14 14:56                             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-12-14 15:12                               ` Markus Armbruster
2021-12-14 15:14                                 ` Mark Burton
2021-12-10 13:54   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-12-10 15:38     ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-12-13 15:28       ` Markus Armbruster
2021-12-13 17:37         ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-12-13 18:07           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-12-13 18:37             ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-12-13 18:53               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-12-14  7:09                 ` Meeting today? Mark Burton
2021-12-14 11:37                   ` Markus Armbruster
2021-12-14 11:39                     ` Mark Burton
2021-12-14 12:49                     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-12-14 14:49                       ` Markus Armbruster
2022-01-04  9:29                         ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2022-01-06 11:21                           ` "Startup" meeting (was Re: Meeting today?) Mark Burton
2022-01-06 11:23                             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-01-11 10:20                               ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2022-01-11 10:22                                 ` Mark Burton
2022-01-17 17:13                                   ` Kevin Wolf
2022-01-17 19:02                                     ` Markus Armbruster
2022-01-23 20:49                                     ` Mark Burton
2022-01-25  8:50                                       ` Juan Quintela
2022-01-25 10:45                                         ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé via
2022-01-25 10:58                                           ` Juan Quintela
2022-02-08 11:52                                             ` Mark Burton
2022-02-08 12:35                                               ` Juan Quintela
2022-01-11 10:28                                 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-12-15 18:46                 ` Redesign of QEMU startup & initial configuration Paolo Bonzini
2021-12-15 18:50                   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-12-14 11:48           ` Markus Armbruster
2021-12-14 13:00             ` Mark Burton
2021-12-14 14:54               ` Markus Armbruster
2021-12-15 20:00             ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-12-15 20:14               ` Mark Burton
2021-12-16 10:24               ` Markus Armbruster
2021-12-16 15:28                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-12-16 15:40                   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-12-16 16:00                     ` Mark Burton
2021-12-16 16:15                       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-12-16 16:27                         ` Mark Burton
2021-12-13 10:51     ` Damien Hedde
2021-12-13 15:47       ` Markus Armbruster
2022-01-04 12:40 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2022-01-13 16:10   ` Markus Armbruster

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