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From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
To: Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>
Cc: eduardo@habkost.net, "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	mst@redhat.com, quintela@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	"Gerd Hoffmann" <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	pbonzini@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] x86: Switch to q35 as the default machine type
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2022 17:40:44 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Yg03HB5KHGYWyI0J@work-vm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <db583712-cd6e-d67d-ad98-989a9867499a@redhat.com>

* Thomas Huth (thuth@redhat.com) wrote:
> On 16/02/2022 12.01, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> > * Gerd Hoffmann (kraxel@redhat.com) wrote:
> > >    Hi,
> > > > Given the semantic differences from 'i440fx', changing the default
> > > > machine type has effects that are equivalent to breaking command
> > > > line syntax compatibility, which is something we've always tried
> > > > to avoid.
> > > 
> > > And if we are fine breaking backward compatibility I'd rather *not* pick
> > > a default, effectively making -M $something mandatory, similar to arm.
> > 
> > Oh, that's probably easy to do;  what are other peoples thoughts on
> > that?
> 
> I agree with Gerd. Getting rid of a default machine on x86 is likely better
> than silently changing it to q35. But I'd maybe say that this should go
> through the deprecation process first?

So just adding something like the following under 'System emulator
machines':

x86 default machine type
------------------------

x86 currently defaults to the very old ```pc``` machine type
which is based on the very old ```i440f``` chipset.  This default
will be removed and the user will be required to specify a machine
type explicitly using -M; users are encouraged to switch to the
not quite as old ```q35``` machine types.


(This option is going to take a lot more work switching all the
test cases over; in my world here I'd only changed the tests that broke
on q35, now everything is going to need to specify a type).

Dave



>  Thomas
> 
-- 
Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK



  reply	other threads:[~2022-02-16 17:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-15 16:25 [PATCH 0/3] x86: Switch over to q35 as the default machine type Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2022-02-15 16:25 ` [PATCH 1/3] tests/x86: Use 'pc' machine type for old hardware tests Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2022-02-17  8:04   ` Thomas Huth
2022-02-17  8:18   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-02-15 16:25 ` [PATCH 2/3] tests/x86: Use 'pc' machine type for hotplug tests Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2022-02-17  8:09   ` Thomas Huth
2022-02-17  8:18   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-02-15 16:25 ` [PATCH 3/3] x86: Switch to q35 as the default machine type Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2022-02-15 18:13   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-02-15 18:29     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2022-02-16 10:58     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-02-16 11:01       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2022-02-16 11:23         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-02-16 11:24         ` Thomas Huth
2022-02-16 17:40           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert [this message]
2022-02-16 17:48             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-02-16 17:57               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2022-02-17  7:46                 ` Thomas Huth
2022-02-17  7:52                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-02-17  9:29                 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-02-17  9:43                   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2022-02-17  7:57             ` Thomas Huth
2022-02-17  8:08               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-02-17  8:17                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-02-17  9:16                   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-02-17  9:35                   ` Igor Mammedov
2022-02-17  9:19               ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2022-02-15 16:25 ` [PATCH 0/3] x86: Switch over " Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2022-02-15 16:25 ` [PATCH 1/3] tests/x86: Use 'pc' machine type for old hardware tests Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2022-02-15 16:25 ` [PATCH 2/3] tests/x86: Use 'pc' machine type for hotplug tests Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2022-02-15 16:25 ` [PATCH 3/3] x86: Switch to q35 as the default machine type Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)

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