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From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
To: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Cc: Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	Leonardo Bras Soares Passos <lsoaresp@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 14/15] migration: Postcopy preemption on separate channel
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 13:23:29 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YgJu0ZoV/Z4JA4Ye@work-vm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YgJWeQm3THpv8iG/@xz-m1.local>

* Peter Xu (peterx@redhat.com) wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 08, 2022 at 11:24:14AM +0000, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> > > The current model is we only have 1 postcopy channel and 1 precopy channel, but
> > > it should be easier if we want to make it N post + 1 pre base on this series.
> > 
> > It's not clear to me if we need to be able to do N post + M pre, or
> > whether we have a rule like always at least 1 post, but if there's more
> > pagefaults in the queue then you can steal all of the pre channels.
> 
> Right, >1 queue length should easily happen with workloads in real cloud
> environment.  Though even with only 1post channel we can already hit at least
> <~1ms with this series even if there're 16 pending requests per my test.  I
> think that may cover quite some real workloads.
> 
> One thing to mention is that we should always assume the pre-channels are
> filled up with tons of pages already in the NIC send buffer, so they won't be
> good candidate for postcopy requests, IMHO.  So I'm not sure whether we can
> mixly use the pre/post channels - we may need to leave the post channels idle.

No I'm not sure either; even with separate channels do we have problems
with contention on the NIC?

Dave

> Then, if we keep some of the multifd channels idle, then it will become some
> other thing rather than the existing multifd, since we will start to treat
> threads and channels differently and break the "equality" rule in the strict
> version of multifd world.
> 
> > > This also reminded me that, instead of a new capability, should I simply expose
> > > a parameter "postcopy-channels=N" to CLI so that we can be prepared with multi
> > > postcopy channels?
> > 
> > I'm not sure we know enough yet about what configuration it would have;
> > I'd be tempted to just make it work for the user by enabling both
> > multifd and preemption and then using this new mechanism rather than
> > having to add yet another parameter.
> 
> Let me stick with the current capability bit then, so as to make it 1pre+1post.
> And we can leave Npre+1post for later.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -- 
> Peter Xu
> 
-- 
Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK



  reply	other threads:[~2022-02-08 16:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-19  8:09 [PATCH RFC 00/15] migration: Postcopy Preemption Peter Xu
2022-01-19  8:09 ` [PATCH RFC 01/15] migration: No off-by-one for pss->page update in host page size Peter Xu
2022-01-19 12:58   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2022-01-27  9:40   ` Juan Quintela
2022-01-19  8:09 ` [PATCH RFC 02/15] migration: Allow pss->page jump over clean pages Peter Xu
2022-01-19 13:42   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2022-01-20  2:12     ` Peter Xu
2022-02-03 18:19       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2022-02-08  3:20         ` Peter Xu
2022-01-19  8:09 ` [PATCH RFC 03/15] migration: Enable UFFD_FEATURE_THREAD_ID even without blocktime feat Peter Xu
2022-01-19 14:15   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2022-01-27  9:40   ` Juan Quintela
2022-01-19  8:09 ` [PATCH RFC 04/15] migration: Add postcopy_has_request() Peter Xu
2022-01-19 14:27   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2022-01-27  9:41   ` Juan Quintela
2022-01-19  8:09 ` [PATCH RFC 05/15] migration: Simplify unqueue_page() Peter Xu
2022-01-19 16:36   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2022-01-20  2:23     ` Peter Xu
2022-01-25 11:01       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2022-01-27  9:41   ` Juan Quintela
2022-01-19  8:09 ` [PATCH RFC 06/15] migration: Move temp page setup and cleanup into separate functions Peter Xu
2022-01-19 16:58   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2022-01-27  9:43   ` Juan Quintela
2022-01-19  8:09 ` [PATCH RFC 07/15] migration: Introduce postcopy channels on dest node Peter Xu
2022-02-03 15:08   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2022-02-08  3:27     ` Peter Xu
2022-02-08  9:43       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2022-02-08 10:07         ` Peter Xu
2022-01-19  8:09 ` [PATCH RFC 08/15] migration: Dump ramblock and offset too when non-same-page detected Peter Xu
2022-02-03 15:15   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2022-01-19  8:09 ` [PATCH RFC 09/15] migration: Add postcopy_thread_create() Peter Xu
2022-02-03 15:19   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2022-02-08  3:37     ` Peter Xu
2022-02-08 11:16       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2022-01-19  8:09 ` [PATCH RFC 10/15] migration: Move static var in ram_block_from_stream() into global Peter Xu
2022-02-03 17:48   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2022-02-08  3:51     ` Peter Xu
2022-01-19  8:09 ` [PATCH RFC 11/15] migration: Add pss.postcopy_requested status Peter Xu
2022-02-03 15:42   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2022-01-19  8:09 ` [PATCH RFC 12/15] migration: Move migrate_allow_multifd and helpers into migration.c Peter Xu
2022-02-03 15:44   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2022-01-19  8:09 ` [PATCH RFC 13/15] migration: Add postcopy-preempt capability Peter Xu
2022-02-03 15:46   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2022-01-19  8:09 ` [PATCH RFC 14/15] migration: Postcopy preemption on separate channel Peter Xu
2022-02-03 17:45   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2022-02-08  4:22     ` Peter Xu
2022-02-08 11:24       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2022-02-08 11:39         ` Peter Xu
2022-02-08 13:23           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert [this message]
2022-02-09  2:16             ` Peter Xu
2022-01-19  8:09 ` [PATCH RFC 15/15] tests: Add postcopy preempt test Peter Xu
2022-02-03 15:53   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2022-01-19 12:32 ` [PATCH RFC 00/15] migration: Postcopy Preemption Dr. David Alan Gilbert

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