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From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Xiaoyao Li <xiaoyao.li@intel.com>
Cc: isaku.yamahata@intel.com, "Marcelo Tosatti" <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Connor Kuehl" <ckuehl@redhat.com>,
	"Eric Blake" <eblake@redhat.com>,
	"Cornelia Huck" <cohuck@redhat.com>,
	"Richard Henderson" <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <f4bug@amsat.org>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philippe.mathieu.daude@gmail.com>,
	"Gerd Hoffmann" <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	seanjc@google.com, erdemaktas@google.com,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Laszlo Ersek" <lersek@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 17/36] pflash_cfi01/tdx: Introduce ram_mode of pflash for TDVF
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:27:32 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YjmWhMVx80/BFY8z@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7a8233e4-0cae-b05a-7931-695a7ee87fc9@intel.com>

On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 04:54:51PM +0800, Xiaoyao Li wrote:
> On 3/18/2022 10:07 PM, Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > On 17/3/22 14:58, Xiaoyao Li wrote:
> > > TDX VM needs to boot with Trust Domain Virtual Firmware (TDVF). Unlike
> > > that OVMF is mapped as rom device, TDVF needs to be mapped as private
> > > memory. This is because TDX architecture doesn't provide read-only
> > > capability for VMM, and it doesn't support instruction emulation due
> > > to guest memory and registers are not accessible for VMM.
> > > 
> > > On the other hand, OVMF can work as TDVF, which is usually configured
> > > as pflash device in QEMU. To keep the same usage (QEMU parameter),
> > > introduce ram_mode to pflash for TDVF. When it's creating a TDX VM,
> > > ram_mode will be enabled automatically that map the firmware as RAM.
> > > 
> > > Note, this implies two things:
> > >   1. TDVF (OVMF) is not read-only (write-protected).
> > > 
> > >   2. It doesn't support non-volatile UEFI variables as what pflash
> > >      supports that the change to non-volatile UEFI variables won't get
> > >      synced back to backend vars.fd file.
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: Xiaoyao Li <xiaoyao.li@intel.com>
> > > ---
> > >   hw/block/pflash_cfi01.c | 25 ++++++++++++++++++-------
> > >   hw/i386/pc_sysfw.c      | 14 +++++++++++---
> > >   2 files changed, 29 insertions(+), 10 deletions(-)
> > 
> > If you don't need a pflash device, don't use it: simply map your nvram
> > region as ram in your machine. No need to clutter the pflash model like
> > that.
> 
> I know it's dirty to hack the pflash device. The purpose is to make the user
> interface unchanged that people can still use
> 
> 	-drive if=pflash,format=raw,unit=0,file=/path/to/OVMF_CODE.fd
>         -drive if=pflash,format=raw,unit=1,file=/path/to/OVMF_VARS.fd

Note, that in the default pflash config, libvirt will set the 'readonly=on'
flag for OVMF_CODE.fd ie, it will use

    -drive if=pflash,format=raw,unit=0,file=/path/to/OVMF_CODE.fd,readonly=on
    -drive if=pflash,format=raw,unit=1,file=/path/to/OVMF_VARS.fd

IOW, we're requiring OVMF_CODE.fd is ROM, while OVMF_VARS.fd is NVRAM

IIUC, this patch here is changing the semantics of these args:

   - OVMF_CODE.fd is mapped as RAM, but IIUC, QEMU would still be
     prevented from writing to it due to readonly=on in the
     block layer

   - OVMF_VARS.fd is mapped as RAM, but IIUC you're saying that
     none the less, any writes don't propagate back into the file ?



Dealing with OVMF_VARS.fd first, I really wonder why you want to have
a OVMF_VARS.fd file at all, if you don't have writes propagated into
it ? It has no reason to exist if you're not writing to it.

IMHO the AmdSev build for OVMF gets this right by entirely disabling
the split OVMF_CODE.fd vs OVMF_VARS.fd, and just having a single
OVMF.fd file that is exposed read-only to the guest.

This is further represented in $QEMU.git/docs/interop/firmware.json
by marking the firmware as 'stateless', which apps like libvirt will
use to figure out what QEMU command line to pick.

IOW, if you don't want OVMF_VARS.fd to be written to, then follow
what AmdSev has done, and get rid of the split files.


As for exposing OVMF_CODE.fd as RAM instead of ROM. That feels a
little odd, but as long as its backing store file on disk honours
the readony=on request to -drive, that's not terrible IMHO.

With regards,
Daniel
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-03-22  9:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-03-17 13:58 [RFC PATCH v3 00/36] TDX QEMU support Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-17 13:58 ` [RFC PATCH v3 01/36] *** HACK *** linux-headers: Update headers to pull in TDX API changes Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-17 13:58 ` [RFC PATCH v3 02/36] i386: Introduce tdx-guest object Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-17 13:58 ` [RFC PATCH v3 03/36] target/i386: Implement mc->kvm_type() to get VM type Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-17 13:58 ` [RFC PATCH v3 04/36] target/i386: Introduce kvm_confidential_guest_init() Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-17 13:58 ` [RFC PATCH v3 05/36] i386/tdx: Implement tdx_kvm_init() to initialize TDX VM context Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-18  2:07   ` Isaku Yamahata
2022-03-21  5:35     ` Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-17 13:58 ` [RFC PATCH v3 06/36] i386/tdx: Get tdx_capabilities via KVM_TDX_CAPABILITIES Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-18  2:08   ` Isaku Yamahata
2022-03-21  6:56     ` Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-17 13:58 ` [RFC PATCH v3 07/36] i386/tdx: Introduce is_tdx_vm() helper and cache tdx_guest object Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-17 13:58 ` [RFC PATCH v3 08/36] i386/tdx: Adjust get_supported_cpuid() for TDX VM Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-18 16:55   ` Isaku Yamahata
2022-03-21  5:37     ` Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-17 13:58 ` [RFC PATCH v3 09/36] KVM: Introduce kvm_arch_pre_create_vcpu() Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-18 16:56   ` Isaku Yamahata
2022-03-21  7:02     ` Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-17 13:58 ` [RFC PATCH v3 10/36] i386/kvm: Move architectural CPUID leaf generation to separate helper Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-17 13:58 ` [RFC PATCH v3 11/36] i386/tdx: Initialize TDX before creating TD vcpus Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-17 13:58 ` [RFC PATCH v3 12/36] i386/tdx: Add property sept-ve-disable for tdx-guest object Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-22  9:02   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-03-24  6:52     ` Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-24  7:57       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-03-24  8:08         ` Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-24  9:37           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-03-24 14:36             ` Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-25  1:35             ` Isaku Yamahata
2022-03-17 13:58 ` [RFC PATCH v3 13/36] i386/tdx: Wire CPU features up with attributes of TD guest Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-17 13:58 ` [RFC PATCH v3 14/36] i386/tdx: Validate TD attributes Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-17 13:58 ` [RFC PATCH v3 15/36] i386/tdx: Implement user specified tsc frequency Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-17 13:58 ` [RFC PATCH v3 16/36] i386/tdx: Set kvm_readonly_mem_enabled to false for TDX VM Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-18 17:11   ` Isaku Yamahata
2022-03-21  8:15     ` Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-17 13:58 ` [RFC PATCH v3 17/36] pflash_cfi01/tdx: Introduce ram_mode of pflash for TDVF Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-18 14:07   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2022-03-21  8:54     ` Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-21 22:06       ` Isaku Yamahata
2022-03-22  9:21       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-03-22  9:29         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-03-22 10:35           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-03-22 10:51             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-03-22 12:20               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-03-24  8:35                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-03-31  6:57                   ` Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-24  6:13           ` Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-24  7:58             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2022-03-24  8:18               ` Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-24  8:52             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-03-22  9:27       ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2022-03-31  8:51         ` Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-31  9:00           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-03-31 14:50             ` Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-17 13:58 ` [RFC PATCH v3 18/36] i386/tdvf: Introduce function to parse TDVF metadata Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-18 17:19   ` Isaku Yamahata
2022-03-21  6:11     ` Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-17 13:58 ` [RFC PATCH v3 19/36] i386/tdx: Parse TDVF metadata for TDX VM Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-17 13:58 ` [RFC PATCH v3 20/36] i386/tdx: Get and store the mem_ptr of TDVF firmware Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-17 13:58 ` [RFC PATCH v3 21/36] i386/tdx: Track mem_ptr for each firmware entry of TDVF Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-17 13:58 ` [RFC PATCH v3 22/36] i386/tdx: Track RAM entries for TDX VM Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-17 13:59 ` [RFC PATCH v3 23/36] i386/tdx: Create the TD HOB list upon machine init done Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-17 13:59 ` [RFC PATCH v3 24/36] i386/tdx: Call KVM_TDX_INIT_VCPU to initialize TDX vcpu Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-17 13:59 ` [RFC PATCH v3 25/36] i386/tdx: Add TDVF memory via KVM_TDX_INIT_MEM_REGION Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-17 13:59 ` [RFC PATCH v3 26/36] i386/tdx: Finalize TDX VM Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-17 13:59 ` [RFC PATCH v3 27/36] i386/tdx: Disable SMM for TDX VMs Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-21  6:51   ` Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-17 13:59 ` [RFC PATCH v3 28/36] i386/tdx: Disable PIC " Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-17 13:59 ` [RFC PATCH v3 29/36] i386/tdx: Don't allow system reset " Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-17 13:59 ` [RFC PATCH v3 30/36] hw/i386: add eoi_intercept_unsupported member to X86MachineState Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-17 13:59 ` [RFC PATCH v3 31/36] hw/i386: add option to forcibly report edge trigger in acpi tables Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-17 13:59 ` [RFC PATCH v3 32/36] i386/tdx: Don't synchronize guest tsc for TDs Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-17 13:59 ` [RFC PATCH v3 33/36] i386/tdx: Only configure MSR_IA32_UCODE_REV in kvm_init_msrs() " Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-18 17:31   ` Isaku Yamahata
2022-03-21  6:08     ` Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-17 13:59 ` [RFC PATCH v3 34/36] i386/tdx: Skip kvm_put_apicbase() " Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-17 13:59 ` [RFC PATCH v3 35/36] i386/tdx: Don't get/put guest state for TDX VMs Xiaoyao Li
2022-03-17 13:59 ` [RFC PATCH v3 36/36] docs: Add TDX documentation Xiaoyao Li

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