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[82.30.61.225]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d1-20020adffbc1000000b00203de0fff63sm16355913wrs.70.2022.03.22.10.58.20 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 22 Mar 2022 10:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 17:58:19 +0000 From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" To: Andrew Deason Subject: Re: [PATCH] softmmu/physmem: Use qemu_madvise Message-ID: References: <20220316040405.4131-1-adeason@sinenomine.net> <9c36fe6b-39e1-0bfc-d2bb-97b106828ee1@redhat.com> <20220322113949.d297e615317fa34894de8ed2@sinenomine.net> <20220322123408.43f2d7229b28399d7e3d0b84@sinenomine.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20220322123408.43f2d7229b28399d7e3d0b84@sinenomine.net> User-Agent: Mutt/2.1.5 (2021-12-30) Authentication-Results: relay.mimecast.com; auth=pass smtp.auth=CUSA124A263 smtp.mailfrom=dgilbert@redhat.com X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Received-SPF: pass client-ip=170.10.129.124; envelope-from=dgilbert@redhat.com; helo=us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com X-Spam_score_int: -21 X-Spam_score: -2.2 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.2 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.082, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: qemu-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Peter Maydell , David Hildenbrand , Philippe =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mathieu-Daud=E9?= , Peter Xu , qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Paolo Bonzini Errors-To: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Sender: "Qemu-devel" * Andrew Deason (adeason@sinenomine.net) wrote: > On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 16:53:05 +0000 > "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" wrote: > > > * Andrew Deason (adeason@sinenomine.net) wrote: > > > On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 10:41:41 +0100 > > > David Hildenbrand wrote: > > > > > > > On 16.03.22 10:37, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote: > > > > > * Peter Maydell (peter.maydell@linaro.org) wrote: > > > > >> On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 at 07:53, David Hildenbrand wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>> On 16.03.22 05:04, Andrew Deason wrote: > > > > >>>> We have a thin wrapper around madvise, called qemu_madvise, which > > > > >>>> provides consistent behavior for the !CONFIG_MADVISE case, and works > > > > >>>> around some platform-specific quirks (some platforms only provide > > > > >>>> posix_madvise, and some don't offer all 'advise' types). This specific > > > > >>>> caller of madvise has never used it, tracing back to its original > > > > >>>> introduction in commit e0b266f01dd2 ("migration_completion: Take > > > > >>>> current state"). > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Call qemu_madvise here, to follow the same logic as all of our other > > > > >>>> madvise callers. This slightly changes the behavior for > > > > >>>> !CONFIG_MADVISE (EINVAL instead of ENOSYS, and a slightly different > > > > >>>> error message), but this is now more consistent with other callers > > > > >>>> that use qemu_madvise. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Signed-off-by: Andrew Deason > > > > >>>> --- > > > > >>>> Looking at the history of commits that touch this madvise() call, it > > > > >>>> doesn't _look_ like there's any reason to be directly calling madvise vs > > > > >>>> qemu_advise (I don't see anything mentioned), but I'm not sure. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> softmmu/physmem.c | 12 ++---------- > > > > >>>> 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 10 deletions(-) > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> diff --git a/softmmu/physmem.c b/softmmu/physmem.c > > > > >>>> index 43ae70fbe2..900c692b5e 100644 > > > > >>>> --- a/softmmu/physmem.c > > > > >>>> +++ b/softmmu/physmem.c > > > > >>>> @@ -3584,40 +3584,32 @@ int ram_block_discard_range(RAMBlock *rb, uint64_t start, size_t length) > > > > >>>> rb->idstr, start, length, ret); > > > > >>>> goto err; > > > > >>>> #endif > > > > >>>> } > > > > >>>> if (need_madvise) { > > > > >>>> /* For normal RAM this causes it to be unmapped, > > > > >>>> * for shared memory it causes the local mapping to disappear > > > > >>>> * and to fall back on the file contents (which we just > > > > >>>> * fallocate'd away). > > > > >>>> */ > > > > >>>> -#if defined(CONFIG_MADVISE) > > > > >>>> if (qemu_ram_is_shared(rb) && rb->fd < 0) { > > > > >>>> - ret = madvise(host_startaddr, length, QEMU_MADV_REMOVE); > > > > >>>> + ret = qemu_madvise(host_startaddr, length, QEMU_MADV_REMOVE); > > > > >>>> } else { > > > > >>>> - ret = madvise(host_startaddr, length, QEMU_MADV_DONTNEED); > > > > >>>> + ret = qemu_madvise(host_startaddr, length, QEMU_MADV_DONTNEED); > > > > >>> > > > > >>> posix_madvise(QEMU_MADV_DONTNEED) has completely different semantics > > > > >>> then madvise() -- it's not a discard that we need here. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> So ram_block_discard_range() would now succeed in environments (BSD?) > > > > >>> where it's supposed to fail. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> So AFAIKs this isn't sane. > > > > >> > > > > >> But CONFIG_MADVISE just means "host has madvise()"; it doesn't imply > > > > >> "this is a Linux madvise() with MADV_DONTNEED". Solaris madvise() > > > > >> doesn't seem to have MADV_DONTNEED at all; a quick look at the > > > > >> FreeBSD manpage suggests its madvise MADV_DONTNEED is identical > > > > >> to its posix_madvise MADV_DONTNEED. > > > > >> > > > > >> If we need "specifically Linux MADV_DONTNEED semantics" maybe we > > > > >> should define a QEMU_MADV_LINUX_DONTNEED which either (a) does the > > > > >> right thing or (b) fails, and use qemu_madvise() regardless. > > > > >> > > > > >> Certainly the current code is pretty fragile to being changed by > > > > >> people who don't understand the undocumented subtlety behind > > > > >> the use of a direct madvise() call here. > > > > > > > > > > Yeh and I'm not sure I can remembe rall the subtleties; there's a big > > > > > hairy set of ifdef's in include/qemu/madvise.h that makes > > > > > sure we always have the definition of QEMU_MADV_REMOVE/DONTNEED > > > > > even on platforms that might not define it themselves. > > > > > > > > > > But I think this code is used for things with different degrees > > > > > of care about the semantics; e.g. 'balloon' just cares that > > > > > it frees memory up and doesn't care about the detailed semantics > > > > > that much; so it's probably fine with that. > > > > > Postcopy is much more touchy, but then it's only going to be > > > > > calling this on Linux anyway (because of the userfault dependency). > > > > > > > > MADV_DONTNEED/MADV_REMOVE only provides discard semantics on Linux IIRC > > > > -- and that's what we want to achieve: ram_block_discard_range() > > > > > > > > So I agree with Peter that we might want to make this more explicit. > > > > > > I was looking at the comments/history around this code to try to make > > > this more explicit/clear, and it seems like the whole function is very > > > Linux-specific. All we ever do is: > > > > > > - fallocate(FALLOC_FL_PUNCH_HOLE | FALLOC_FL_KEEP_SIZE) > > > - madvise(MADV_REMOVE) > > > - madvise(MADV_DONTNEED) with Linux semantics > > > > > > All of those operations are Linux-only, so trying to figure out the > > > cross-platform way to model this seems kind of pointless. Is it fine to > > > just #ifdef the whole thing to be just for Linux? > > > > For ballooning we don't really need Linux semantics; we just need it to > > use less host memory. Postcopy needs the more careful semantics though. > > Right, sorry, you mentioned that, but I was thinking it sounded like > that applied to the MADV_DONTNEED path, which is only 1 case of the 3. > But reading into this a bit, maybe all of these cases are fine on > non-Linux for ballooning: fallocate is never called ('rb->fd' is always > -1), and QEMU_MADV_REMOVE falls back to QEMU_MADV_DONTNEED, which is > fine for ballooning. Am I understanding that correctly? > > But regardless, it's simpler/more-conservative to make it all > Linux-specific. If I just take ram_block_discard_range away from > non-Linux (that is, make it always return an error), is that breaking > actual functionality, or is it removing a niche code path that non-Linux > isn't really using anyway, and it's not worth the time to figure out? I > am not familiar with qemu internals, so this is not obvious to me. > > For context: I'm just trying to get the tree to compile on other > platforms (immediate focus is the guest agent on Solaris). The madvise() > calls here generate warnings due to platform-specific quirks that > qemu_madvise() has some logic to deal with. So my question is whether > to adapt these to the cross-platform qemu_advise(), or treat the > function as platform-specific code. I think you should keep this function to have the basic functionality of freeing a chunk of memory so that it takes less host space up; that way a guest using virtio-balloon will still be nice to the host. Dave > -- > Andrew Deason > adeason@sinenomine.net > -- Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK