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From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
To: Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito <eesposit@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-block@nongnu.org, Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	Hanna Reitz <hreitz@redhat.com>, John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy <vsementsov@virtuozzo.com>,
	Fam Zheng <fam@euphon.net>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 0/8] Removal of AioContext lock, bs->parents and ->children: new rwlock
Date: Wed, 4 May 2022 14:39:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YnKB+SP678gNrAb1@stefanha-x1.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220426085114.199647-1-eesposit@redhat.com>

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On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 04:51:06AM -0400, Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito wrote:
> This is a new attempt to replace the need to take the AioContext lock to
> protect graph modifications. In particular, we aim to remove
> (or better, substitute) the AioContext around bdrv_replace_child_noperm,
> since this function changes BlockDriverState's ->parents and ->children
> lists.
> 
> In the previous version, we decided to discard using subtree_drains to
> protect the nodes, for different reasons: for those unfamiliar with it,
> please see https://patchew.org/QEMU/20220301142113.163174-1-eesposit@redhat.com/

I reread the thread and it's unclear to me why drain is the wrong
mechanism for protecting graph modifications. We theorized a lot but
ultimately is this new mechanism sufficiently different from
bdrv_drained_begin()/end() to make it worth implementing?

Instead of invoking .drained_begin() callbacks to stop further I/O,
we're now queuing coroutines (without backpressure information that
whoever is spawning I/O needs so they can stop). The writer still waits
for in-flight I/O to finish, including I/O not associated with the bdrv
graph we wish to modify (because rdlock is per-AioContext and unrelated
to a specific graph). Is this really more lightweight than drain?

If I understand correctly, the original goal was to avoid the need to
hold the AioContext lock across bdrv_replace_child_noperm(). I would
focus on that and use drain for now.

Maybe I've missed an important point about why the new mechanism is
needed?

Stefan

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-05-04 13:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-26  8:51 [RFC PATCH v2 0/8] Removal of AioContext lock, bs->parents and ->children: new rwlock Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-26  8:51 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/8] aio_wait_kick: add missing memory barrier Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-28 11:09   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-04-29  8:06     ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-30  5:21       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-04-29  8:12   ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-04-26  8:51 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/8] coroutine-lock: release lock when restarting all coroutines Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-26 14:59   ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-04-28 11:21   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-04-28 22:14     ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-04-29  9:35       ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-26  8:51 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/8] block: introduce a lock to protect graph operations Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-26 15:00   ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-04-28 13:45   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-04-29  8:37     ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-30  5:48       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-05-02  7:54         ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-05-03 10:50           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-04-26  8:51 ` [RFC PATCH v2 4/8] async: register/unregister aiocontext in graph lock list Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-28 13:46   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-04-28 22:19     ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-04-29  8:37       ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-26  8:51 ` [RFC PATCH v2 5/8] block.c: wrlock in bdrv_replace_child_noperm Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-26 15:07   ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-04-28 13:55   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-04-29  8:41     ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-26  8:51 ` [RFC PATCH v2 6/8] block: assert that graph read and writes are performed correctly Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-28 14:43   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-04-26  8:51 ` [RFC PATCH v2 7/8] graph-lock: implement WITH_GRAPH_RDLOCK_GUARD and GRAPH_RDLOCK_GUARD macros Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-28 15:00   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-04-26  8:51 ` [RFC PATCH v2 8/8] mirror: protect drains in coroutine with rdlock Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-27  6:55 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/8] Removal of AioContext lock, bs->parents and ->children: new rwlock Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-28 10:45   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-04-28 21:56     ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-30  5:17       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-05-02  8:02         ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-05-02 13:15           ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-05-03  8:24           ` Kevin Wolf
2022-05-03 11:04           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-04-28 10:34 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-04-29  8:06   ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-05-04 13:39 ` Stefan Hajnoczi [this message]
2022-05-17 10:59   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-05-18 12:28     ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-05-18 12:43       ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-05-18 14:57         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-05-18 16:14         ` Kevin Wolf
2022-05-19 11:27           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-05-19 12:52             ` Kevin Wolf
2022-05-22 15:06           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-05-23  8:48             ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-05-23 13:15               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-05-23 13:54                 ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-05-23 13:02             ` Kevin Wolf
2022-05-23 15:13               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-05-23 16:04                 ` Kevin Wolf
2022-05-23 16:45                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-05-24  7:55             ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-05-24  8:08               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-05-24  9:17                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-05-24 10:20                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-05-24 17:25                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-05-24 10:36         ` Kevin Wolf
2022-05-25  7:41           ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-05-18 14:27       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-05-24 12:10       ` Kevin Wolf
2022-05-25  8:27         ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito

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