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From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito <eesposit@redhat.com>,
	qemu-block@nongnu.org, Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	Hanna Reitz <hreitz@redhat.com>, John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com>,
	Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy <vsementsov@virtuozzo.com>,
	Fam Zheng <fam@euphon.net>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 0/8] Removal of AioContext lock, bs->parents and ->children: new rwlock
Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 15:57:29 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YoUJWbOBBijpd2sD@stefanha-x1.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6fc3e40e-7682-b9dc-f789-3ca95e0430db@redhat.com>

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On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 02:43:50PM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> On 5/18/22 14:28, Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito wrote:
> > For example, all callers of bdrv_open() always take the AioContext lock.
> > Often it is taken very high in the call stack, but it's always taken.
> 
> I think it's actually not a problem of who takes the AioContext lock or
> where; the requirements are contradictory:
> 
> * IO_OR_GS_CODE() functions, when called from coroutine context, expect to
> be called with the AioContext lock taken (example: bdrv_co_yield_to_drain)
> 
> * to call these functions with the lock taken, the code has to run in the
> BDS's home iothread.  Attempts to do otherwise results in deadlocks (the
> main loop's AIO_WAIT_WHILEs expect progress from the iothread, that cannot
> happen without releasing the aiocontext lock)
>
> 
> * running the code in the BDS's home iothread is not possible for
> GLOBAL_STATE_CODE() functions (unless the BDS home iothread is the main
> thread, but that cannot be guaranteed in general)
> 
> > We might suppose that many callbacks are called under drain and in
> > GLOBAL_STATE, which should be enough, but from our experimentation in
> > the previous series we saw that currently not everything is under drain,
> > leaving some operations unprotected (remember assert_graph_writable
> > temporarily disabled, since drain coverage for bdrv_replace_child_noperm
> > was not 100%?).
> > Therefore we need to add more drains. But isn't drain what we decided to
> > drop at the beginning? Why isn't drain good?
> 
> To sum up the patch ordering deadlock that we have right now:
> 
> * in some cases, graph manipulations are protected by the AioContext lock
> 
> * eliminating the AioContext lock is needed to move callbacks to coroutine
> contexts (see above for the deadlock scenario)
> 
> * moving callbacks to coroutine context is needed by the graph rwlock
> implementation
> 
> On one hand, we cannot protect the graph across manipulations with a graph
> rwlock without removing the AioContext lock; on the other hand, the
> AioContext lock is what _right now_ protects the graph.
> 
> So I'd rather go back to Emanuele's draining approach.  It may not be
> beautiful, but it allows progress.  Once that is in place, we can remove the
> AioContext lock (which mostly protects virtio-blk/virtio-scsi code right
> now) and reevaluate our next steps.

Me too, I don't think the rwlock was particularly nice either.

Stefan

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-05-18 14:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-26  8:51 [RFC PATCH v2 0/8] Removal of AioContext lock, bs->parents and ->children: new rwlock Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-26  8:51 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/8] aio_wait_kick: add missing memory barrier Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-28 11:09   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-04-29  8:06     ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-30  5:21       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-04-29  8:12   ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-04-26  8:51 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/8] coroutine-lock: release lock when restarting all coroutines Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-26 14:59   ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-04-28 11:21   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-04-28 22:14     ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-04-29  9:35       ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-26  8:51 ` [RFC PATCH v2 3/8] block: introduce a lock to protect graph operations Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-26 15:00   ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-04-28 13:45   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-04-29  8:37     ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-30  5:48       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-05-02  7:54         ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-05-03 10:50           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-04-26  8:51 ` [RFC PATCH v2 4/8] async: register/unregister aiocontext in graph lock list Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-28 13:46   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-04-28 22:19     ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-04-29  8:37       ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-26  8:51 ` [RFC PATCH v2 5/8] block.c: wrlock in bdrv_replace_child_noperm Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-26 15:07   ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-04-28 13:55   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-04-29  8:41     ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-26  8:51 ` [RFC PATCH v2 6/8] block: assert that graph read and writes are performed correctly Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-28 14:43   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-04-26  8:51 ` [RFC PATCH v2 7/8] graph-lock: implement WITH_GRAPH_RDLOCK_GUARD and GRAPH_RDLOCK_GUARD macros Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-28 15:00   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-04-26  8:51 ` [RFC PATCH v2 8/8] mirror: protect drains in coroutine with rdlock Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-27  6:55 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/8] Removal of AioContext lock, bs->parents and ->children: new rwlock Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-28 10:45   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-04-28 21:56     ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-04-30  5:17       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-05-02  8:02         ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-05-02 13:15           ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-05-03  8:24           ` Kevin Wolf
2022-05-03 11:04           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-04-28 10:34 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-04-29  8:06   ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-05-04 13:39 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-05-17 10:59   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-05-18 12:28     ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-05-18 12:43       ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-05-18 14:57         ` Stefan Hajnoczi [this message]
2022-05-18 16:14         ` Kevin Wolf
2022-05-19 11:27           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-05-19 12:52             ` Kevin Wolf
2022-05-22 15:06           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-05-23  8:48             ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-05-23 13:15               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-05-23 13:54                 ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2022-05-23 13:02             ` Kevin Wolf
2022-05-23 15:13               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-05-23 16:04                 ` Kevin Wolf
2022-05-23 16:45                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-05-24  7:55             ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-05-24  8:08               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-05-24  9:17                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-05-24 10:20                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-05-24 17:25                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-05-24 10:36         ` Kevin Wolf
2022-05-25  7:41           ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-05-18 14:27       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2022-05-24 12:10       ` Kevin Wolf
2022-05-25  8:27         ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito

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