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From: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
To: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: Leonardo Bras Soares Passos <leobras@redhat.com>,
	Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>, Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 2/2] migration/multifd: Warn user when zerocopy not working
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 14:52:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YrsHgWbhifokl6yL@work-vm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Yrr77NfKtKcXTVCr@redhat.com>

* Daniel P. Berrangé (berrange@redhat.com) wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 09:32:04AM -0300, Leonardo Bras Soares Passos wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 4:53 AM Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@redhat.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 10:09:09PM -0300, Leonardo Bras wrote:
> > > > Some errors, like the lack of Scatter-Gather support by the network
> > > > interface(NETIF_F_SG) may cause sendmsg(...,MSG_ZEROCOPY) to fail on using
> > > > zero-copy, which causes it to fall back to the default copying mechanism.
> > >
> > > How common is this lack of SG support ? What NICs did you have that
> > > were affected ?
> > 
> > I am not aware of any NIC without SG available for testing, nor have
> > any idea on how common they are.
> > But since we can detect sendmsg() falling back to copying we should
> > warn the user if this ever happens.
> > 
> > There is also a case in IPv6 related to fragmentation that may cause
> > MSG_ZEROCOPY to fall back to the copying mechanism, so it's also
> > covered.
> > 
> > >
> > > > After each full dirty-bitmap scan there should be a zero-copy flush
> > > > happening, which checks for errors each of the previous calls to
> > > > sendmsg(...,MSG_ZEROCOPY). If all of them failed to use zero-copy, then
> > > > warn the user about it.
> > > >
> > > > Since it happens once each full dirty-bitmap scan, even in worst case
> > > > scenario it should not print a lot of warnings, and will allow tracking
> > > > how many dirty-bitmap iterations were not able to use zero-copy send.
> > >
> > > For long running migrations which are not converging, or converging
> > > very slowly there could be 100's of passes.
> > >
> > 
> > I could change it so it only warns once, if that is too much output.
> 
> Well I'm mostly wondering what we're expecting the user todo with this
> information. Generally a log file containing warnings ends up turning
> into a bug report. If we think it is important for users and/or mgmt
> apps to be aware of this info, then it might be better to actually
> put a field in the query-migrate stats to report if zero-copy is
> being honoured or not,

Yeh just a counter would work there I think.

> and just have a trace point in this location
> instead.

Yeh.

Dave

> With regards,
> Daniel
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  reply	other threads:[~2022-06-28 13:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-06-28  1:09 [PATCH v1 0/2] Zero copy improvements (QIOChannel + multifd) Leonardo Bras
2022-06-28  1:09 ` [PATCH v1 1/2] QIOChannelSocket: Fix zero-copy flush returning code 1 when nothing sent Leonardo Bras
2022-06-28  1:09 ` [PATCH v1 2/2] migration/multifd: Warn user when zerocopy not working Leonardo Bras
2022-06-28  7:53   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-06-28 12:32     ` Leonardo Bras Soares Passos
2022-06-28 13:02       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2022-06-28 13:52         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert [this message]
2022-06-28 16:53           ` Leonardo Bras Soares Passos
2022-06-28 16:56             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2022-07-01  6:18               ` Leonardo Brás
2022-07-04  9:19                 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert

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