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From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Stefano Stabellini <sstabellini@kernel.org>
Cc: Richard Henderson <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, mark.cave-ayland@ilande.co.uk,
	philmd@linaro.org, thuth@redhat.com, andrew.cooper3@citrix.com,
	anthony.perard@vates.tech, michal.orzel@amd.com,
	jbeulich@suse.com, julien@xen.org, roger.pau@citrix.com,
	xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org, bertrand.marquis@arm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/14] meson: Deprecate 32-bit host support
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2025 08:12:39 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z6HL5PHL3JzTQBpr@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.22.394.2502031438170.11632@ubuntu-linux-20-04-desktop>

On Mon, Feb 03, 2025 at 02:43:05PM -0800, Stefano Stabellini wrote:
> +Xen maintainers
> 
> 
> On Mon, 3 Feb 2025, Richard Henderson wrote:
> > On 2/3/25 04:54, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> > > On 2/3/25 04:18, Richard Henderson wrote:
> > > > v1: 20250128004254.33442-1-richard.henderson@linaro.org
> > > > 
> > > > For v2, immediately disable 64-on-32 TCG.
> > > > 
> > > > I *suspect* that we should disable 64-on-32 for *all* accelerators.
> > > > The idea that an i686 binary on an x86_64 host may be used to spawn
> > > > an x86_64 guest via kvm is silly and a bit more than niche.
> > > 
> > > At least Xen used to be commonly used with 32-bit dom0, because it saved
> > > memory and dom0 would map in guest buffers as needed.  I'm not sure how
> > > common that is these days, perhaps Stefano knows.
> > 
> > As a data-point, debian does not ship libxen-dev for i686.
> > We cannot build-test this configuration at all.
> > 
> > I can build-test Xen for armhf, and I guess it would use i386-softmmu; it's
> > unclear whether x86_64-softmmu and aarch64-softmmu are relevant or useful for
> > an armhf host, or as an armhf binary running on an aarch64 host.
> 
> 
> On the Xen side, there are two different use cases: x86 32-bit and ARM
> 32-bit.  
> 
> For x86 32-bit, while it was a very important use case in the past, I
> believe it is far less so now. I will let the x86 maintainers comment on
> how important it is today.

If the Xen project needs an excuse to justify stopping 32-bit host
support, QEMU would be happy to act as the excuse :-)

With regards,
Daniel
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  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-04  8:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-03  3:18 [PATCH v2 00/14] meson: Deprecate 32-bit host support Richard Henderson
2025-02-03  3:18 ` [PATCH v2 01/14] meson: Drop tcg as a module Richard Henderson
2025-02-03  9:58   ` Thomas Huth
2025-02-03 18:39     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-02-03 11:34   ` Alex Bennée
2025-02-03 18:36   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-02-03  3:18 ` [PATCH v2 02/14] tcg: Move stubs in tcg/perf.h to tcg/perf-stubs.c Richard Henderson
2025-02-03 10:00   ` Thomas Huth
2025-02-03 11:34   ` Alex Bennée
2025-02-03  3:18 ` [PATCH v2 03/14] plugins: Uninline qemu_plugin_add_opts Richard Henderson
2025-02-03 10:02   ` Thomas Huth
2025-02-03 11:44   ` Alex Bennée
2025-02-03  3:18 ` [PATCH v2 04/14] meson: Introduce CONFIG_TCG_TARGET Richard Henderson
2025-02-03 10:08   ` Thomas Huth
2025-02-03 16:38     ` Richard Henderson
2025-02-04  6:41       ` Thomas Huth
2025-02-03  3:18 ` [PATCH v2 05/14] tcg: Link only when required in system mode Richard Henderson
2025-02-03 10:15   ` Thomas Huth
2025-02-03 11:48   ` Alex Bennée
2025-02-03  3:18 ` [PATCH v2 06/14] plugins: " Richard Henderson
2025-02-03 10:16   ` Thomas Huth
2025-02-03 11:49   ` Alex Bennée
2025-02-03  3:18 ` [PATCH v2 07/14] accel/stubs: Expand stubs for TCG Richard Henderson
2025-02-03 10:22   ` Thomas Huth
2025-02-03 16:43     ` Richard Henderson
2025-02-03 17:38       ` Thomas Huth
2025-02-03 20:00         ` Richard Henderson
2025-02-03  3:18 ` [PATCH v2 08/14] target/mips: Protect objects with CONFIG_TCG Richard Henderson
2025-02-03 10:24   ` Thomas Huth
2025-02-03 17:25   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-02-03 18:01     ` Richard Henderson
2025-02-03  3:18 ` [PATCH v2 09/14] gitlab: Replace aarch64 with arm in cross-i686-tci build Richard Henderson
2025-02-03 10:30   ` Thomas Huth
2025-02-03 12:31   ` Alex Bennée
2025-02-03  3:18 ` [PATCH v2 10/14] configure: Define TARGET_LONG_BITS in configs/targets/*.mak Richard Henderson
2025-02-03 10:39   ` Thomas Huth
2025-02-03 12:33     ` Alex Bennée
2025-02-03 16:49     ` Richard Henderson
2025-02-03 17:39       ` Thomas Huth
2025-02-03 17:48   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-02-03 18:30   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-02-03 19:19     ` Richard Henderson
2025-02-03  3:18 ` [PATCH v2 11/14] target/*: Remove TARGET_LONG_BITS from cpu-param.h Richard Henderson
2025-02-03 10:43   ` Thomas Huth
2025-02-03 12:34   ` Alex Bennée
2025-02-03 18:31   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-02-03  3:18 ` [PATCH v2 12/14] meson: Disallow 64-bit on 32-bit TCG emulation Richard Henderson
2025-02-03 10:46   ` Thomas Huth
2025-02-03 13:54   ` Alex Bennée
2025-02-03  3:18 ` [PATCH v2 13/14] meson: Deprecate 32-bit host support Richard Henderson
2025-02-03 10:47   ` Thomas Huth
2025-02-03 13:56   ` Alex Bennée
2025-02-03  3:18 ` [PATCH v2 14/14] tcg: Remove TCG_OVERSIZED_GUEST Richard Henderson
2025-02-03 13:59   ` Alex Bennée
2025-02-04 17:42     ` Richard Henderson
2025-02-03 12:54 ` [PATCH v2 00/14] meson: Deprecate 32-bit host support Paolo Bonzini
2025-02-03 21:55   ` Richard Henderson
2025-02-03 22:43     ` Stefano Stabellini
2025-02-04  8:12       ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2025-02-04  8:19       ` Juergen Gross
2025-02-04  9:11         ` Jan Beulich
2025-02-04 10:44           ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé

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