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From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Cc: "Maciej S. Szmigiero" <mail@maciej.szmigiero.name>,
	"Fabiano Rosas" <farosas@suse.de>,
	"Alex Williamson" <alex.williamson@redhat.com>,
	"Cédric Le Goater" <clg@redhat.com>,
	"Eric Blake" <eblake@redhat.com>,
	"Markus Armbruster" <armbru@redhat.com>,
	"Avihai Horon" <avihaih@nvidia.com>,
	"Joao Martins" <joao.m.martins@oracle.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 08/33] migration/multifd: Allow premature EOF on TLS incoming channels
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2025 15:08:02 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z6ItUtb-NhKnn8hy@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z6EI0V6Cg7aCbzQU@x1.local>

On Mon, Feb 03, 2025 at 01:20:01PM -0500, Peter Xu wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2025 at 11:08:29AM +0100, Maciej S. Szmigiero wrote:
> > From: "Maciej S. Szmigiero" <maciej.szmigiero@oracle.com>
> > 
> > Multifd send channels are terminated by calling
> > qio_channel_shutdown(QIO_CHANNEL_SHUTDOWN_BOTH) in
> > multifd_send_terminate_threads(), which in the TLS case essentially
> > calls shutdown(SHUT_RDWR) on the underlying raw socket.
> > 
> > Unfortunately, this does not terminate the TLS session properly and
> > the receive side sees this as a GNUTLS_E_PREMATURE_TERMINATION error.
> > 
> > The only reason why this wasn't causing migration failures is because
> > the current migration code apparently does not check for migration
> > error being set after the end of the multifd receive process.
> > 
> > However, this will change soon so the multifd receive code has to be
> > prepared to not return an error on such premature TLS session EOF.
> > Use the newly introduced QIOChannelTLS method for that.
> > 
> > It's worth noting that even if the sender were to be changed to terminate
> > the TLS connection properly the receive side still needs to remain
> > compatible with older QEMU bit stream which does not do this.
> 
> If this is an existing bug, we could add a Fixes.
> 
> Two pure questions..
> 
>   - What is the correct way to terminate the TLS session without this flag?
> 
>   - Why this is only needed by multifd sessions?

Graceful TLS termination (via gnutls_bye()) should only be important to
security if the QEMU protocol in question does not know how much data it
is expecting to recieve. ie it cannot otherwise distinguish between an
expected EOF, and a premature EOF triggered by an attacker.

If the migration protocol has sufficient info to know when a chanel is
expected to see EOF, then we should stop trying to read from the TLS
channel before seeing the underlying EOF.

Ignoring GNUTLS_E_PREMATURE_TERMINATION would be valid if we know that
migration will still fail corretly in the case of a malicious attack
causing premature termination.

If there's a risk that migration may succeed, but with incomplete data,
then we would need the full gnutls_bye dance.

With regards,
Daniel
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-02-04 15:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 137+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-30 10:08 [PATCH v4 00/33] Multifd 🔀 device state transfer support with VFIO consumer Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-01-30 10:08 ` [PATCH v4 01/33] migration: Clarify that {load, save}_cleanup handlers can run without setup Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-01-30 10:08 ` [PATCH v4 02/33] thread-pool: Remove thread_pool_submit() function Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-01-30 10:08 ` [PATCH v4 03/33] thread-pool: Rename AIO pool functions to *_aio() and data types to *Aio Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-01-30 10:08 ` [PATCH v4 04/33] thread-pool: Implement generic (non-AIO) pool support Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-01-30 10:08 ` [PATCH v4 05/33] migration: Add MIG_CMD_SWITCHOVER_START and its load handler Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-01-30 10:08 ` [PATCH v4 06/33] migration: Add qemu_loadvm_load_state_buffer() and its handler Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-01-30 10:08 ` [PATCH v4 07/33] io: tls: Allow terminating the TLS session gracefully with EOF Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-04 15:15   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-02-04 16:02     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-04 16:14       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-02-04 18:25         ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-06 21:53           ` Peter Xu
2025-01-30 10:08 ` [PATCH v4 08/33] migration/multifd: Allow premature EOF on TLS incoming channels Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-03 18:20   ` Peter Xu
2025-02-03 18:53     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-03 20:20       ` Peter Xu
2025-02-03 21:41         ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-03 22:56           ` Peter Xu
2025-02-04 13:51             ` Fabiano Rosas
2025-02-04 14:39             ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-04 15:00               ` Fabiano Rosas
2025-02-04 15:10                 ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-04 15:31               ` Peter Xu
2025-02-04 15:39                 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-02-05 19:09                   ` Fabiano Rosas
2025-02-05 20:42                     ` Fabiano Rosas
2025-02-05 20:55                       ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-06 14:13                         ` Fabiano Rosas
2025-02-06 14:53                           ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-06 15:20                             ` Fabiano Rosas
2025-02-06 16:01                               ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-06 17:32                                 ` Fabiano Rosas
2025-02-06 17:55                                   ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-06 21:51                                   ` Peter Xu
2025-02-07 13:17                                     ` Fabiano Rosas
2025-02-07 14:04                                       ` Peter Xu
2025-02-07 14:16                                         ` Fabiano Rosas
2025-02-05 21:13                       ` Peter Xu
2025-02-06 14:19                         ` Fabiano Rosas
2025-02-04 15:10         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-02-04 15:08     ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2025-02-04 16:02       ` Peter Xu
2025-02-04 16:12         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-02-04 16:29           ` Peter Xu
2025-02-04 18:25         ` Fabiano Rosas
2025-02-04 19:34           ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-01-30 10:08 ` [PATCH v4 09/33] migration: postcopy_ram_listen_thread() needs to take BQL for some calls Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-02  2:06   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-02-02 11:55     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-02 12:45       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-02-03 13:57         ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-03 19:58           ` Peter Xu
2025-02-03 20:15             ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-03 20:36               ` Peter Xu
2025-02-03 21:41                 ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-03 23:02                   ` Peter Xu
2025-02-04 14:57                     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-04 15:39                       ` Peter Xu
2025-02-04 19:32                         ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-01-30 10:08 ` [PATCH v4 10/33] error: define g_autoptr() cleanup function for the Error type Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-03 20:53   ` Peter Xu
2025-02-03 21:13   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-02-03 21:51     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-01-30 10:08 ` [PATCH v4 11/33] migration: Add thread pool of optional load threads Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-01-30 10:08 ` [PATCH v4 12/33] migration/multifd: Split packet into header and RAM data Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-01-30 10:08 ` [PATCH v4 13/33] migration/multifd: Device state transfer support - receive side Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-03 21:27   ` Peter Xu
2025-02-03 22:18     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-03 22:59       ` Peter Xu
2025-02-04 14:40         ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-01-30 10:08 ` [PATCH v4 14/33] migration/multifd: Make multifd_send() thread safe Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-01-30 10:08 ` [PATCH v4 15/33] migration/multifd: Add an explicit MultiFDSendData destructor Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-01-30 10:08 ` [PATCH v4 16/33] migration/multifd: Device state transfer support - send side Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-03 21:47   ` Peter Xu
2025-01-30 10:08 ` [PATCH v4 17/33] migration/multifd: Make MultiFDSendData a struct Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-07 14:36   ` Fabiano Rosas
2025-02-07 19:43     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-01-30 10:08 ` [PATCH v4 18/33] migration/multifd: Add multifd_device_state_supported() Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-01-30 10:08 ` [PATCH v4 19/33] migration: Add save_live_complete_precopy_thread handler Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-04 17:54   ` Peter Xu
2025-02-04 19:32     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-04 20:34       ` Peter Xu
2025-02-05 11:53         ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-05 15:55           ` Peter Xu
2025-02-06 11:41             ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-06 22:16               ` Peter Xu
2025-01-30 10:08 ` [PATCH v4 20/33] vfio/migration: Add x-migration-load-config-after-iter VFIO property Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-10 17:24   ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-02-11 14:37     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-11 15:00       ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-02-11 15:57         ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-11 16:28           ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-01-30 10:08 ` [PATCH v4 21/33] vfio/migration: Add load_device_config_state_start trace event Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-01-30 10:08 ` [PATCH v4 22/33] vfio/migration: Convert bytes_transferred counter to atomic Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-01-30 21:35   ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-01-31  9:47     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-01-30 10:08 ` [PATCH v4 23/33] vfio/migration: Multifd device state transfer support - basic types Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-10 17:17   ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-01-30 10:08 ` [PATCH v4 24/33] vfio/migration: Multifd device state transfer support - VFIOStateBuffer(s) Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-01-30 10:08 ` [PATCH v4 25/33] vfio/migration: Multifd device state transfer - add support checking function Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-01-30 10:08 ` [PATCH v4 26/33] vfio/migration: Multifd device state transfer support - receive init/cleanup Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-12 10:55   ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-02-14 20:55     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-17  9:38       ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-02-17 22:13         ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-18  7:54           ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-01-30 10:08 ` [PATCH v4 27/33] vfio/migration: Multifd device state transfer support - received buffers queuing Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-12 13:47   ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-02-14 20:58     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-17 13:48       ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-02-17 22:15         ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-01-30 10:08 ` [PATCH v4 28/33] vfio/migration: Multifd device state transfer support - load thread Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-12 15:48   ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-02-12 16:19     ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-02-17 22:09       ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-17 22:09     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-01-30 10:08 ` [PATCH v4 29/33] vfio/migration: Multifd device state transfer support - config loading support Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-12 16:21   ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-02-17 22:09     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-01-30 10:08 ` [PATCH v4 30/33] migration/qemu-file: Define g_autoptr() cleanup function for QEMUFile Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-01-30 10:08 ` [PATCH v4 31/33] vfio/migration: Multifd device state transfer support - send side Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-12 17:03   ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-02-17 22:12     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-01-30 10:08 ` [PATCH v4 32/33] vfio/migration: Add x-migration-multifd-transfer VFIO property Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-12 17:10   ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-02-14 20:56     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-17 13:57       ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-02-17 14:16         ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-01-30 10:08 ` [PATCH v4 33/33] hw/core/machine: Add compat for " Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-01-30 20:19 ` [PATCH v4 00/33] Multifd 🔀 device state transfer support with VFIO consumer Fabiano Rosas
2025-01-30 20:27   ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-01-30 20:46     ` Fabiano Rosas
2025-01-31 18:16     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-02-03 14:19 ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-02-21  6:57   ` Yanghang Liu
2025-02-22  9:51     ` Maciej S. Szmigiero

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