From: Zhao Liu <zhao1.liu@intel.com>
To: Dongli Zhang <dongli.zhang@oracle.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org, pbonzini@redhat.com,
mtosatti@redhat.com, sandipan.das@amd.com, babu.moger@amd.com,
likexu@tencent.com, like.xu.linux@gmail.com,
zhenyuw@linux.intel.com, groug@kaod.org, khorenko@virtuozzo.com,
alexander.ivanov@virtuozzo.com, den@virtuozzo.com,
davydov-max@yandex-team.ru, xiaoyao.li@intel.com,
dapeng1.mi@linux.intel.com, joe.jin@oracle.com,
ewanhai-oc@zhaoxin.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 08/10] target/i386/kvm: reset AMD PMU registers during VM reset
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2025 16:30:05 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z9FGDfzqimDo8SV5@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <976f58aa-5e14-4dda-ae07-f78276b54ff8@oracle.com>
> >>>> + /*
> >>>> + * If KVM_CAP_PMU_CAPABILITY is not supported, there is no way to
> >>>> + * disable the AMD pmu virtualization.
> >>>> + *
> >>>> + * If KVM_CAP_PMU_CAPABILITY is supported !cpu->enable_pmu
> >>>> + * indicates the KVM has already disabled the PMU virtualization.
> >>>> + */
> >>>> + if (has_pmu_cap && !cpu->enable_pmu) {
> >>>> + return;
> >>>> + }
> >>>
> >>> Could we only check "cpu->enable_pmu" at the beginning of this function?
> >>> then if pmu is already disabled, we don't need to initialize the pmu info.
> >>
> >> I don't think so. There is a case:
> >>
> >> - cpu->enable_pmu = false. (That is, "-cpu host,-pmu").
> >> - But for KVM prior v5.18 that KVM_CAP_PMU_CAPABILITY doesn't exist.
> >>
> >> There is no way to disable vPMU. To determine based on only
> >> "!cpu->enable_pmu" doesn't work.
> >
> > Ah, I didn't get your point here. When QEMU user has already disabled
> > PMU, why we still need to continue initialize PMU info and save/load PMU
> > MSRs? In this case, user won't expect vPMU could work.
>
> Yes, "In this case, user won't expect vPMU could work.".
>
> But in reality vPMU is still active, although that doesn't match user's
> expectation.
>
> User doesn't expect PMU to work. However, "perf stat" still works in VM
> (when KVM_CAP_PMU_CAPABILITY isn't available).
>
> Would you suggest we only follow user's expectation?
Yes, for this case, many PMU related CPUIDs have already been disabled
because of "!enable_pmu", so IMO it's not necessary to handle other PMU
MSRs.
> That is, once user
> configure "-pmu", we are going to always assume vPMU is disabled, even it
> is still available (on KVM without KVM_CAP_PMU_CAPABILITY and prior v5.18)?
Strictly speaking, only the earlier AMD PMUs are still AVAILABLE at this
point, as the other platforms, have CPUIDs to indicate PMU enablement.
So for the latter (which I understand is most of the cases nowadays),
there's no reason to assume that the PMUs are still working when the CPUIDs
are corrupted...
There is no perfect solution for pre-v5.18 kernel... But while not breaking
compatibility, again IMO, we need the logic to be self-consistent, i.e.
any time the user does not enable vPMU (enable_pmu = false), it should be
assumed that vPMU does not work.
Thanks,
Zhao
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-03-12 8:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-03-02 22:00 [PATCH v2 00/10] target/i386/kvm/pmu: PMU Enhancement, Bugfix and Cleanup Dongli Zhang
2025-03-02 22:00 ` [PATCH v2 01/10] target/i386: disable PerfMonV2 when PERFCORE unavailable Dongli Zhang
2025-03-04 14:40 ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-03-04 22:53 ` dongli.zhang
2025-03-05 1:38 ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-03-05 14:20 ` Zhao Liu
2025-03-07 7:24 ` Sandipan Das
2025-03-02 22:00 ` [PATCH v2 02/10] target/i386: disable PERFCORE when "-pmu" is configured Dongli Zhang
2025-03-03 1:59 ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-03-03 18:45 ` dongli.zhang
2025-03-04 6:11 ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-03-06 16:50 ` Zhao Liu
2025-03-06 17:47 ` dongli.zhang
2025-03-07 7:41 ` Zhao Liu
2025-03-02 22:00 ` [PATCH v2 03/10] [DO NOT MERGE] kvm: Introduce kvm_arch_pre_create_vcpu() Dongli Zhang
2025-03-05 14:46 ` Zhao Liu
2025-03-05 21:53 ` dongli.zhang
2025-03-07 7:52 ` Zhao Liu
2025-03-07 8:40 ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-03-02 22:00 ` [PATCH v2 04/10] target/i386/kvm: set KVM_PMU_CAP_DISABLE if "-pmu" is configured Dongli Zhang
2025-03-04 7:59 ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-03-05 1:22 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-03-05 1:35 ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-03-05 14:41 ` Zhao Liu
2025-03-05 20:13 ` dongli.zhang
2025-03-05 14:44 ` Zhao Liu
2025-03-02 22:00 ` [PATCH v2 05/10] target/i386/kvm: extract unrelated code out of kvm_x86_build_cpuid() Dongli Zhang
2025-03-05 7:03 ` Mi, Dapeng
2025-03-07 9:15 ` Zhao Liu
2025-03-07 22:47 ` Dongli Zhang
2025-03-10 3:55 ` Zhao Liu
2025-03-02 22:00 ` [PATCH v2 06/10] target/i386/kvm: rename architectural PMU variables Dongli Zhang
2025-03-05 7:07 ` Mi, Dapeng
2025-03-07 9:19 ` Zhao Liu
2025-03-07 22:49 ` Dongli Zhang
2025-03-02 22:00 ` [PATCH v2 07/10] target/i386/kvm: query kvm.enable_pmu parameter Dongli Zhang
2025-03-10 6:14 ` Zhao Liu
2025-03-10 15:41 ` Dongli Zhang
2025-03-10 16:49 ` Dongli Zhang
2025-03-02 22:00 ` [PATCH v2 08/10] target/i386/kvm: reset AMD PMU registers during VM reset Dongli Zhang
2025-03-05 7:33 ` Mi, Dapeng
2025-03-05 11:41 ` Francesco Lavra
2025-03-05 19:05 ` dongli.zhang
2025-03-07 7:38 ` Sandipan Das
2025-03-10 7:47 ` Zhao Liu
2025-03-10 16:39 ` Dongli Zhang
2025-03-11 13:51 ` Zhao Liu
2025-03-11 19:52 ` Dongli Zhang
2025-03-12 8:30 ` Zhao Liu [this message]
2025-03-12 22:17 ` Dongli Zhang
2025-03-28 6:29 ` ewanhai
2025-03-28 16:42 ` Dongli Zhang
2025-03-31 3:55 ` ewanhai
2025-03-31 19:16 ` Dongli Zhang
2025-04-01 3:35 ` Ewan Hai
2025-04-07 8:51 ` Zhao Liu
2025-04-07 9:33 ` Ewan Hai
2025-04-16 8:17 ` Mi, Dapeng
2025-03-02 22:00 ` [PATCH v2 09/10] target/i386/kvm: support perfmon-v2 for reset Dongli Zhang
2025-03-02 22:00 ` [PATCH v2 10/10] target/i386/kvm: don't stop Intel PMU counters Dongli Zhang
2025-03-05 7:35 ` Mi, Dapeng
2025-03-05 19:00 ` dongli.zhang
2025-03-06 1:38 ` Mi, Dapeng
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