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From: "Jörg Rödel" <joro@8bytes.org>
To: Gerd Hoffman <kraxel@redhat.com>
Cc: "Ani Sinha" <anisinha@redhat.com>, "Alex Graf" <graf@amazon.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Eduardo Habkost" <eduardo@habkost.net>,
	"Marcel Apfelbaum" <marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com>,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>,
	"Yanan Wang" <wangyanan55@huawei.com>,
	"Zhao Liu" <zhao1.liu@intel.com>,
	"Richard Henderson" <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Fabiano Rosas" <farosas@suse.de>,
	"Laurent Vivier" <lvivier@redhat.com>,
	"Igor Mammedov" <imammedo@redhat.com>,
	"Vitaly Kuznetsov" <vkuznets@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6] hw/misc/vmfwupdate: Introduce hypervisor fw-cfg interface support
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2025 14:31:12 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z9LeILiEU5GfEHrl@8bytes.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <sxavsa2i4drnei4kmy6pd4uekk3xaa43njd47jtogar7ui7qm7@n73chaex5ms2>

Hi Gerd,

On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 01:05:13PM +0100, Gerd Hoffman wrote:
> // regions_addr points to an array of this structure
> struct vmfwupdate_regions {
>     uint64_t size;
>     uint64_t src_addr;       // source address (before update)
>     uint64_t dst_addr;       // destination address (after update)
>     uint64_t flags;          // control bits
> };
> 
> // flags
> #define VMFWUPDATE_REGION_FLAG_COPY     // data must be copied
> #define VMFWUPDATE_REGION_FLAG_ZERO     // dest must be cleared
> #define VMFWUPDATE_REGION_FLAG_MEASURE  // data must be measured
> 
> (1)   is still not covered.
> (2+3) can be handled with FLAG_ZERO regions, with and without
>       FLAG_MEASURE.
> (4)   Alex already pointed that the cpuid page is special, guess we
>       need additional flags for those oages.

That looks better, when the host VMM guarantees the order in which it
translates these regions into VM setup calls, then it is a step
forward. Although there more things to keep in mind, like the guest
policy and SEV status parameters.

> Open question is what we do about IGVM.
> 
> One option would be the guest vmfwupdate tool loading and parsing igvm,
> preparing the region list, then invoke the update.  Problem is that some
> igvm feaures such as initial register state can not be easily supported
> that way.
> 
> We could also expect the hypervisor support igvm, so the guest can
> simply load the file into memory and pass address and size to the
> hypervisor.  Either as option, say via VMFWUPDATE_REGION_FLAG_IGVM, or
> mandatory, i.e. scratch the region list and use IGVM exclusively.

This is of course up to the QEMU maintainers to decide, but I want to
highlight that IGVM already solves all the problems mentioned above,
including setting multiple memory regions of different type, special
data pages (cpuid, secrets, id-blob, vmsa) and more. It defines the
order of setup calls the VMM has to invoke for the new context and also
works for multiple platforms like TDX, SNP, non-coco, and in the future
ARM as well.

Regards,

	Joerg


  reply	other threads:[~2025-03-13 13:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-13 12:05 [PATCH v6] hw/misc/vmfwupdate: Introduce hypervisor fw-cfg interface support Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-13 13:31 ` Jörg Rödel [this message]
2025-03-13 14:06   ` Ani Sinha
2025-03-14 11:27     ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-14 12:47       ` Alexander Graf
2025-03-14 14:08         ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-14 14:50           ` Alexander Graf
2025-03-17  9:56             ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-17 17:29               ` Alexander Graf
2025-03-18  7:00                 ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-18 11:11                   ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-20  8:34                     ` Jörg Rödel
2025-03-21  8:22                       ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-24 16:08                         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-03-20 13:53                     ` Alexander Graf
2025-03-21  3:36                       ` Ani Sinha
2025-03-21  8:09                         ` Alexander Graf
2025-03-21  9:14                       ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-20  8:31               ` Jörg Rödel
2025-03-21 10:08                 ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-21 12:44                   ` Ani Sinha
2025-03-24  7:43                     ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-24 11:12                       ` Ani Sinha
2025-03-24 15:48                         ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-24 16:31                           ` Alexander Graf
2025-03-24 17:53                             ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-24 18:07                               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-03-25  8:04                               ` Alexander Graf
2025-03-26 12:27                                 ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-26 15:22                                   ` Alexander Graf
2025-03-26 21:51                                     ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-04-07 16:21                                       ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2025-04-08  8:33                                         ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-04-08 21:42                                           ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2025-04-09  6:21                                             ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-04-10  6:31                                               ` Ani Sinha
2025-04-10 10:44                                                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2025-04-16 11:40                                                   ` Ani Sinha
2025-04-09 11:59                                             ` Ani Sinha
2025-03-27 12:12                                     ` Ani Sinha
2025-04-08  8:11                       ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-05-21  7:50                         ` Ani Sinha
2025-03-21 12:45                   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-03-14 15:16           ` Jörg Rödel
2025-03-15  6:08             ` Ani Sinha
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2025-02-14 15:34 Ani Sinha
2025-02-24 15:47 ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-02-25  5:21   ` Ani Sinha
2025-02-25  8:39     ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-02-25  9:54       ` Ani Sinha
2025-02-25 10:23         ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-02-25 10:28   ` Igor Mammedov
2025-02-25 11:00     ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-02-25 11:33       ` Igor Mammedov
2025-03-13  9:02 ` Jörg Rödel
2025-03-13  9:37   ` Ani Sinha
2025-03-13 10:10     ` Jörg Rödel
2025-03-13 10:32       ` Ani Sinha
2025-03-13 10:59         ` Jörg Rödel
2025-03-13 11:09           ` Ani Sinha
2025-03-13 11:27             ` Jörg Rödel
2025-03-13 11:28               ` Jörg Rödel
2025-03-13 11:56               ` Ani Sinha
2025-03-13 14:53               ` Ani Sinha
2025-03-13 15:39                 ` Jörg Rödel
2025-03-13 16:30                   ` Alexander Graf
2025-03-13 17:38                     ` Jörg Rödel
2025-03-13 17:49                       ` Daniel P. Berrangé

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