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From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>,
	"Kashyap Chamarthy" <kchamart@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 4/4] docs/firmware: add feature flag for qemu variable store
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2025 12:20:54 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z9q2pjalGZM4laWJ@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46ersbz6ema7tj6eei7d6rmr5nyaz4zultzdhhlc6ncaqtucn2@tcmnl6gb3jfz>

On Wed, Mar 19, 2025 at 12:51:16PM +0100, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2025 at 11:37:40AM +0000, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> 
> > > > > +# @qemu-vars: The firmware expects qemu to provide an efi variable
> > > > > +#             store, via "uefi-vars-sysbus" or "uefi-vars-x64" device.
> > 
> > I wonder if 'qemu-vars' is the right name here ? It feels like the specification
> > for such device is effectively defined by UEFI, with any hypervisor providing a
> > impl. Perhaps just call it 'uefi-vars-dev' or some name that's relevant for
> > what EDK2 calls it ?
> 
> 'host-uefi-vars' maybe?  Or 'vmm-uefi-vars'?
> 
> > > There is 'stateless' already for 'firmware image in r/o flash'.
> > 
> > What's the behaviour of UEFI if build with JSON vars support, but without
> > QEMU providing any JSON vars backend ?
> 
> It will panic.

In that case, we must not reuse 'stateless' with such builds, as that's
quite different semantics & incompatible with current usage.

We would need a new 'uefi-vars' mode, or just declare that we must
always use 'memory'  not 'flash' for such builds.

> 
> > We would want to expand the 'stateless' docs to mention that this feature
> > flag indicates optional support for persistence in that case.
> 
> Optional is not possible do due to the way variable store support is
> organized in edk2.  Firmware can't switch between smm and non-smm
> configuration at runtime for similar reasons.
> 
> take care,
>   Gerd
> 

With regards,
Daniel
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  reply	other threads:[~2025-03-19 12:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-19 11:01 [PATCH v2 0/4] [for-10.0] hw/uefi: some bugfixes Gerd Hoffmann
2025-03-19 11:01 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] hw/uefi: flush variable store to disk in post load Gerd Hoffmann
2025-03-19 11:57   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-03-19 11:01 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] hw/uefi: fix error handling in uefi_vars_json_save Gerd Hoffmann
2025-03-19 11:58   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-03-19 11:01 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] hw/uefi: fix error handling in uefi_vars_json_load Gerd Hoffmann
2025-03-19 11:59   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-03-19 11:01 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] docs/firmware: add feature flag for qemu variable store Gerd Hoffmann
2025-03-19 11:07   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-03-19 11:30     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2025-03-19 11:37       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-03-19 11:51         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2025-03-19 12:20           ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2025-03-19 13:03             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2025-03-19 13:15               ` Daniel P. Berrangé

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