From: "Jörg Rödel" <joro@8bytes.org>
To: Gerd Hoffman <kraxel@redhat.com>
Cc: "Alexander Graf" <graf@amazon.com>,
"Ani Sinha" <anisinha@redhat.com>,
"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
"Eduardo Habkost" <eduardo@habkost.net>,
"Marcel Apfelbaum" <marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com>,
"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>,
"Yanan Wang" <wangyanan55@huawei.com>,
"Zhao Liu" <zhao1.liu@intel.com>,
"Richard Henderson" <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
"Fabiano Rosas" <farosas@suse.de>,
"Laurent Vivier" <lvivier@redhat.com>,
"Igor Mammedov" <imammedo@redhat.com>,
"Vitaly Kuznetsov" <vkuznets@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6] hw/misc/vmfwupdate: Introduce hypervisor fw-cfg interface support
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2025 09:31:52 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z9vSeF67fNazkxBh@8bytes.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <vajhincsurwwx5yfmfhamgmvo5i22hxsaaef22aaknkn24m7c6@yxuntxof4iie>
(Excuse my delayed reply, still suffering from some flu or whatever...)
On Mon, Mar 17, 2025 at 10:56:04AM +0100, Gerd Hoffman wrote:
> Yep. But we have to sort the details.
>
> (1) How we are going to load kernel + initrd in case the firmware is
> igvm? Just update the igvm to also include linux kernel and
> initrd (see parallel reply from Jörg)? If so, how does the
> launched firmware find the kernel + initrd?
> While digging around in the igvm spec I've seen there is the
> concept of 'parameters'. Can this be used to pass on the memory
> location of kernel + initrd + cmdline? Maybe the kernel hashes too?
The find the locations of the kernel, initrd, cmdline, ... I think IGVM
parameters, either directly or (preferably indirectly) are a good
solution. By "indirectly" I mean to put these regions on a separate and
measured page which also contains the region hashes.
This allows to put these regions as unmeasured memory into the IGVM and
speed up launching on some platforms.
> (2) Will the igvm be generated on the fly from FUKI data? Or should
> the distros ship igvm images with firmware + kernel + initrd?
My preference would be that distros ship the tooling and components to
build IGVM files and build them during kernel update. If a distro comes
up with a generic initrd+cmdline it can also ship pre-built IGVM files.
From that IGVM-file the tooling can also extract expected measurements
and place them on some trusted verifier (e.g. remote or TPM).
> (3) How we are going to handle uki add-ons?
>
> (4) Do we want keep the region list? Or declare that igvm should be
> used in case a single region is not enough? Or even go all-in and
> use IGVM exclusively?
No strong opinion here, but I just want to mention again that by
allowing a workflow with a pre-defined setup order for CVMs, the
implemented order in QEMU/KVM can not be changed afterwards without
breaking measurements for users.
Regards,
Joerg
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-03-20 8:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-03-13 12:05 [PATCH v6] hw/misc/vmfwupdate: Introduce hypervisor fw-cfg interface support Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-13 13:31 ` Jörg Rödel
2025-03-13 14:06 ` Ani Sinha
2025-03-14 11:27 ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-14 12:47 ` Alexander Graf
2025-03-14 14:08 ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-14 14:50 ` Alexander Graf
2025-03-17 9:56 ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-17 17:29 ` Alexander Graf
2025-03-18 7:00 ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-18 11:11 ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-20 8:34 ` Jörg Rödel
2025-03-21 8:22 ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-24 16:08 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-03-20 13:53 ` Alexander Graf
2025-03-21 3:36 ` Ani Sinha
2025-03-21 8:09 ` Alexander Graf
2025-03-21 9:14 ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-20 8:31 ` Jörg Rödel [this message]
2025-03-21 10:08 ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-21 12:44 ` Ani Sinha
2025-03-24 7:43 ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-24 11:12 ` Ani Sinha
2025-03-24 15:48 ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-24 16:31 ` Alexander Graf
2025-03-24 17:53 ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-24 18:07 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-03-25 8:04 ` Alexander Graf
2025-03-26 12:27 ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-26 15:22 ` Alexander Graf
2025-03-26 21:51 ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-04-07 16:21 ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2025-04-08 8:33 ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-04-08 21:42 ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2025-04-09 6:21 ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-04-10 6:31 ` Ani Sinha
2025-04-10 10:44 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2025-04-16 11:40 ` Ani Sinha
2025-04-09 11:59 ` Ani Sinha
2025-03-27 12:12 ` Ani Sinha
2025-04-08 8:11 ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-05-21 7:50 ` Ani Sinha
2025-03-21 12:45 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-03-14 15:16 ` Jörg Rödel
2025-03-15 6:08 ` Ani Sinha
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2025-02-14 15:34 Ani Sinha
2025-02-24 15:47 ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-02-25 5:21 ` Ani Sinha
2025-02-25 8:39 ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-02-25 9:54 ` Ani Sinha
2025-02-25 10:23 ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-02-25 10:28 ` Igor Mammedov
2025-02-25 11:00 ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-02-25 11:33 ` Igor Mammedov
2025-03-13 9:02 ` Jörg Rödel
2025-03-13 9:37 ` Ani Sinha
2025-03-13 10:10 ` Jörg Rödel
2025-03-13 10:32 ` Ani Sinha
2025-03-13 10:59 ` Jörg Rödel
2025-03-13 11:09 ` Ani Sinha
2025-03-13 11:27 ` Jörg Rödel
2025-03-13 11:28 ` Jörg Rödel
2025-03-13 11:56 ` Ani Sinha
2025-03-13 14:53 ` Ani Sinha
2025-03-13 15:39 ` Jörg Rödel
2025-03-13 16:30 ` Alexander Graf
2025-03-13 17:38 ` Jörg Rödel
2025-03-13 17:49 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
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