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From: "Jörg Rödel" <joro@8bytes.org>
To: Gerd Hoffman <kraxel@redhat.com>
Cc: "Alexander Graf" <graf@amazon.com>,
	"Ani Sinha" <anisinha@redhat.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Eduardo Habkost" <eduardo@habkost.net>,
	"Marcel Apfelbaum" <marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com>,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>,
	"Yanan Wang" <wangyanan55@huawei.com>,
	"Zhao Liu" <zhao1.liu@intel.com>,
	"Richard Henderson" <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Fabiano Rosas" <farosas@suse.de>,
	"Laurent Vivier" <lvivier@redhat.com>,
	"Igor Mammedov" <imammedo@redhat.com>,
	"Vitaly Kuznetsov" <vkuznets@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6] hw/misc/vmfwupdate: Introduce hypervisor fw-cfg interface support
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2025 09:31:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z9vSeF67fNazkxBh@8bytes.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <vajhincsurwwx5yfmfhamgmvo5i22hxsaaef22aaknkn24m7c6@yxuntxof4iie>

(Excuse my delayed reply, still suffering from some flu or whatever...)

On Mon, Mar 17, 2025 at 10:56:04AM +0100, Gerd Hoffman wrote:
> Yep.  But we have to sort the details.
> 
>  (1) How we are going to load kernel + initrd in case the firmware is
>      igvm?  Just update the igvm to also include linux kernel and
>      initrd (see parallel reply from Jörg)?  If so, how does the
>      launched firmware find the kernel + initrd?
>      While digging around in the igvm spec I've seen there is the
>      concept of 'parameters'.  Can this be used to pass on the memory
>      location of kernel + initrd + cmdline?  Maybe the kernel hashes too?

The find the locations of the kernel, initrd, cmdline, ... I think IGVM
parameters, either directly or (preferably indirectly) are a good
solution. By "indirectly" I mean to put these regions on a separate and
measured page which also contains the region hashes.

This allows to put these regions as unmeasured memory into the IGVM and
speed up launching on some platforms.

>  (2) Will the igvm be generated on the fly from FUKI data?  Or should
>      the distros ship igvm images with firmware + kernel + initrd?

My preference would be that distros ship the tooling and components to
build IGVM files and build them during kernel update. If a distro comes
up with a generic initrd+cmdline it can also ship pre-built IGVM files.

From that IGVM-file the tooling can also extract expected measurements
and place them on some trusted verifier (e.g. remote or TPM).

>  (3) How we are going to handle uki add-ons?
> 
>  (4) Do we want keep the region list?  Or declare that igvm should be
>      used in case a single region is not enough?  Or even go all-in and
>      use IGVM exclusively?

No strong opinion here, but I just want to mention again that by
allowing a workflow with a pre-defined setup order for CVMs, the
implemented order in QEMU/KVM can not be changed afterwards without
breaking measurements for users.

Regards,

	Joerg


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-03-20  8:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-13 12:05 [PATCH v6] hw/misc/vmfwupdate: Introduce hypervisor fw-cfg interface support Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-13 13:31 ` Jörg Rödel
2025-03-13 14:06   ` Ani Sinha
2025-03-14 11:27     ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-14 12:47       ` Alexander Graf
2025-03-14 14:08         ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-14 14:50           ` Alexander Graf
2025-03-17  9:56             ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-17 17:29               ` Alexander Graf
2025-03-18  7:00                 ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-18 11:11                   ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-20  8:34                     ` Jörg Rödel
2025-03-21  8:22                       ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-24 16:08                         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-03-20 13:53                     ` Alexander Graf
2025-03-21  3:36                       ` Ani Sinha
2025-03-21  8:09                         ` Alexander Graf
2025-03-21  9:14                       ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-20  8:31               ` Jörg Rödel [this message]
2025-03-21 10:08                 ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-21 12:44                   ` Ani Sinha
2025-03-24  7:43                     ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-24 11:12                       ` Ani Sinha
2025-03-24 15:48                         ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-24 16:31                           ` Alexander Graf
2025-03-24 17:53                             ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-24 18:07                               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-03-25  8:04                               ` Alexander Graf
2025-03-26 12:27                                 ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-03-26 15:22                                   ` Alexander Graf
2025-03-26 21:51                                     ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-04-07 16:21                                       ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2025-04-08  8:33                                         ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-04-08 21:42                                           ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2025-04-09  6:21                                             ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-04-10  6:31                                               ` Ani Sinha
2025-04-10 10:44                                                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2025-04-16 11:40                                                   ` Ani Sinha
2025-04-09 11:59                                             ` Ani Sinha
2025-03-27 12:12                                     ` Ani Sinha
2025-04-08  8:11                       ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-05-21  7:50                         ` Ani Sinha
2025-03-21 12:45                   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-03-14 15:16           ` Jörg Rödel
2025-03-15  6:08             ` Ani Sinha
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2025-02-14 15:34 Ani Sinha
2025-02-24 15:47 ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-02-25  5:21   ` Ani Sinha
2025-02-25  8:39     ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-02-25  9:54       ` Ani Sinha
2025-02-25 10:23         ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-02-25 10:28   ` Igor Mammedov
2025-02-25 11:00     ` Gerd Hoffman
2025-02-25 11:33       ` Igor Mammedov
2025-03-13  9:02 ` Jörg Rödel
2025-03-13  9:37   ` Ani Sinha
2025-03-13 10:10     ` Jörg Rödel
2025-03-13 10:32       ` Ani Sinha
2025-03-13 10:59         ` Jörg Rödel
2025-03-13 11:09           ` Ani Sinha
2025-03-13 11:27             ` Jörg Rödel
2025-03-13 11:28               ` Jörg Rödel
2025-03-13 11:56               ` Ani Sinha
2025-03-13 14:53               ` Ani Sinha
2025-03-13 15:39                 ` Jörg Rödel
2025-03-13 16:30                   ` Alexander Graf
2025-03-13 17:38                     ` Jörg Rödel
2025-03-13 17:49                       ` Daniel P. Berrangé

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