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From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Peter Maydell" <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Markus Armbruster" <armbru@redhat.com>,
	"Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>,
	qemu-arm@nongnu.org, "Maxim Levitsky" <mlevitsk@redhat.com>,
	libvir-list@redhat.com,
	"Richard Henderson" <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
	xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org,
	"Reinoud Zandijk" <reinoud@netbsd.org>,
	"Wilfred Mallawa" <wilfred.mallawa@wdc.com>,
	"John Paul Adrian Glaubitz" <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 2/5] docs/about/deprecated: Deprecate the qemu-system-i386 binary
Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2023 09:27:01 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZAWx5eBskd1cItDx@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230306084658.29709-3-thuth@redhat.com>

On Mon, Mar 06, 2023 at 09:46:55AM +0100, Thomas Huth wrote:
> Aside from not supporting KVM on 32-bit hosts, the qemu-system-x86_64
> binary is a proper superset of the qemu-system-i386 binary. With the
> 32-bit host support being deprecated, it is now also possible to
> deprecate the qemu-system-i386 binary.
> 
> With regards to 32-bit KVM support in the x86 Linux kernel,
> the developers confirmed that they do not need a recent
> qemu-system-i386 binary here:
> 
>  https://lore.kernel.org/kvm/Y%2ffkTs5ajFy0hP1U@google.com/
> 
> Reviewed-by: Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@redhat.com>
> Reviewed-by: Wilfred Mallawa <wilfred.mallawa@wdc.com>
> Signed-off-by: Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>
> ---
>  docs/about/deprecated.rst | 14 ++++++++++++++
>  1 file changed, 14 insertions(+)
> 
> diff --git a/docs/about/deprecated.rst b/docs/about/deprecated.rst
> index 1ca9dc33d6..c4fcc6b33c 100644
> --- a/docs/about/deprecated.rst
> +++ b/docs/about/deprecated.rst
> @@ -34,6 +34,20 @@ deprecating the build option and no longer defend it in CI. The
>  ``--enable-gcov`` build option remains for analysis test case
>  coverage.
>  
> +``qemu-system-i386`` binary (since 8.0)
> +'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
> +
> +The ``qemu-system-i386`` binary was mainly useful for running with KVM
> +on 32-bit x86 hosts, but most Linux distributions already removed their
> +support for 32-bit x86 kernels, so hardly anybody still needs this. The
> +``qemu-system-x86_64`` binary is a proper superset and can be used to
> +run 32-bit guests by selecting a 32-bit CPU model, including KVM support
> +on x86_64 hosts. Thus users are recommended to reconfigure their systems
> +to use the ``qemu-system-x86_64`` binary instead. If a 32-bit CPU guest
> +environment should be enforced, you can switch off the "long mode" CPU
> +flag, e.g. with ``-cpu max,lm=off``.

I had the idea to check this today and this is not quite sufficient,
because we have code that changes the family/model/stepping for
'max' which is target dependent:

#ifdef TARGET_X86_64
    object_property_set_int(OBJECT(cpu), "family", 15, &error_abort);
    object_property_set_int(OBJECT(cpu), "model", 107, &error_abort);
    object_property_set_int(OBJECT(cpu), "stepping", 1, &error_abort);
#else
    object_property_set_int(OBJECT(cpu), "family", 6, &error_abort);
    object_property_set_int(OBJECT(cpu), "model", 6, &error_abort);
    object_property_set_int(OBJECT(cpu), "stepping", 3, &error_abort);
#endif

The former is a 64-bit AMD model and the latter is a 32-bit model.

Seems LLVM was sensitive to this distinction to some extent:

   https://gitlab.com/qemu-project/qemu/-/issues/191


A further difference is that qemy-system-i686 does not appear to enable
the 'syscall' flag, but I've not figured out where that difference is
coming from in the code.

With regards,
Daniel
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  reply	other threads:[~2023-03-06  9:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-06  8:46 [PATCH v4 0/5] Deprecate system emulation support for 32-bit x86 and arm hosts Thomas Huth
2023-03-06  8:46 ` [PATCH v4 1/5] docs/about/deprecated: Deprecate 32-bit x86 hosts for system emulation Thomas Huth
2023-03-06  8:46 ` [PATCH v4 2/5] docs/about/deprecated: Deprecate the qemu-system-i386 binary Thomas Huth
2023-03-06  9:27   ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2023-03-06  9:54     ` Thomas Huth
2023-03-06  9:58       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-03-06 13:48     ` Thomas Huth
2023-03-06 14:06       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-03-06 14:18         ` Thomas Huth
2023-03-06 14:25           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-03-06 14:58             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-03-06 14:56         ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-03-06  8:46 ` [PATCH v4 3/5] gitlab-ci.d/crossbuilds: Drop the i386 system emulation job Thomas Huth
2023-03-06  9:19   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-03-06  8:46 ` [PATCH v4 4/5] docs/about/deprecated: Deprecate 32-bit arm hosts for system emulation Thomas Huth
2023-03-06  9:23   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-03-07  2:43   ` Richard Henderson
2023-03-06  8:46 ` [PATCH v4 5/5] gitlab-ci.d/crossbuilds: Drop the 32-bit arm system emulation jobs Thomas Huth

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