From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Cc: "Fabiano Rosas" <farosas@suse.de>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Claudio Fontana" <cfontana@suse.de>,
jfehlig@suse.com, dfaggioli@suse.com, dgilbert@redhat.com,
"Juan Quintela" <quintela@redhat.com>,
"Nikolay Borisov" <nborisov@suse.com>,
"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
"David Hildenbrand" <david@redhat.com>,
"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>,
"Eric Blake" <eblake@redhat.com>,
"Markus Armbruster" <armbru@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 10/26] migration/ram: Introduce 'fixed-ram' migration stream capability
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2023 08:56:01 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZCaSEfMphjQ1ic2j@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZCYGz3ht61FBQs3e@x1n>
On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 06:01:51PM -0400, Peter Xu wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 03:03:20PM -0300, Fabiano Rosas wrote:
> > From: Nikolay Borisov <nborisov@suse.com>
> >
> > Implement 'fixed-ram' feature. The core of the feature is to ensure that
> > each ram page of the migration stream has a specific offset in the
> > resulting migration stream. The reason why we'd want such behavior are
> > two fold:
> >
> > - When doing a 'fixed-ram' migration the resulting file will have a
> > bounded size, since pages which are dirtied multiple times will
> > always go to a fixed location in the file, rather than constantly
> > being added to a sequential stream. This eliminates cases where a vm
> > with, say, 1G of ram can result in a migration file that's 10s of
> > GBs, provided that the workload constantly redirties memory.
> >
> > - It paves the way to implement DIO-enabled save/restore of the
> > migration stream as the pages are ensured to be written at aligned
> > offsets.
> >
> > The feature requires changing the stream format. First, a bitmap is
> > introduced which tracks which pages have been written (i.e are
> > dirtied) during migration and subsequently it's being written in the
> > resulting file, again at a fixed location for every ramblock. Zero
> > pages are ignored as they'd be zero in the destination migration as
> > well. With the changed format data would look like the following:
> >
> > |name len|name|used_len|pc*|bitmap_size|pages_offset|bitmap|pages|
>
> What happens with huge pages? Would page size matter here?
>
> I would assume it's fine it uses a constant (small) page size, assuming
> that should match with the granule that qemu tracks dirty (which IIUC is
> the host page size not guest's).
>
> But I didn't yet pay any further thoughts on that, maybe it would be
> worthwhile in all cases to record page sizes here to be explicit or the
> meaning of bitmap may not be clear (and then the bitmap_size will be a
> field just for sanity check too).
I think recording the page sizes is an anti-feature in this case.
The migration format / state needs to reflect the guest ABI, but
we need to be free to have different backend config behind that
either side of the save/restore.
IOW, if I start a QEMU with 2 GB of RAM, I should be free to use
small pages initially and after restore use 2 x 1 GB hugepages,
or vica-verca.
The important thing with the pages that are saved into the file
is that they are a 1:1 mapping guest RAM regions to file offsets.
IOW, the 2 GB of guest RAM is always a contiguous 2 GB region
in the file.
If the src VM used 1 GB pages, we would be writing a full 2 GB
of data assuming both pages were dirty.
If the src VM used 4k pages, we would be writing some subset of
the 2 GB of data, and the rest would be unwritten.
Either way, when reading back the data we restore it into either
1 GB pages of 4k pages, beause any places there were unwritten
orignally will read back as zeros.
> If postcopy might be an option, we'd want the page size to be the host page
> size because then looking up the bitmap will be straightforward, deciding
> whether we should copy over page (UFFDIO_COPY) or fill in with zeros
> (UFFDIO_ZEROPAGE).
This format is only intended for the case where we are migrating to
a random-access medium, aka a file, because the fixed RAM mappings
to disk mean that we need to seek back to the original location to
re-write pages that get dirtied. It isn't suitable for a live
migration stream, and thus postcopy is inherantly out of scope.
With regards,
Daniel
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-03-31 7:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-03-30 18:03 [RFC PATCH v1 00/26] migration: File based migration with multifd and fixed-ram Fabiano Rosas
2023-03-30 18:03 ` [RFC PATCH v1 01/26] migration: Add support for 'file:' uri for source migration Fabiano Rosas
2023-03-30 18:03 ` [RFC PATCH v1 02/26] migration: Add support for 'file:' uri for incoming migration Fabiano Rosas
2023-03-30 18:03 ` [RFC PATCH v1 03/26] tests/qtest: migration: Add migrate_incoming_qmp helper Fabiano Rosas
2023-03-30 18:03 ` [RFC PATCH v1 04/26] tests/qtest: migration-test: Add tests for file-based migration Fabiano Rosas
2023-03-30 18:03 ` [RFC PATCH v1 05/26] migration: Initial support of fixed-ram feature for analyze-migration.py Fabiano Rosas
2023-03-30 18:03 ` [RFC PATCH v1 06/26] io: add and implement QIO_CHANNEL_FEATURE_SEEKABLE for channel file Fabiano Rosas
2023-03-30 18:03 ` [RFC PATCH v1 07/26] io: Add generic pwritev/preadv interface Fabiano Rosas
2023-03-30 18:03 ` [RFC PATCH v1 08/26] io: implement io_pwritev/preadv for QIOChannelFile Fabiano Rosas
2023-03-30 18:03 ` [RFC PATCH v1 09/26] migration/qemu-file: add utility methods for working with seekable channels Fabiano Rosas
2023-03-30 18:03 ` [RFC PATCH v1 10/26] migration/ram: Introduce 'fixed-ram' migration stream capability Fabiano Rosas
2023-03-30 22:01 ` Peter Xu
2023-03-31 7:56 ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2023-03-31 14:39 ` Peter Xu
2023-03-31 15:34 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-03-31 16:13 ` Peter Xu
2023-03-31 15:05 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-03-31 5:50 ` Markus Armbruster
2023-03-30 18:03 ` [RFC PATCH v1 11/26] migration: Refactor precopy ram loading code Fabiano Rosas
2023-03-30 18:03 ` [RFC PATCH v1 12/26] migration: Add support for 'fixed-ram' migration restore Fabiano Rosas
2023-03-30 18:03 ` [RFC PATCH v1 13/26] tests/qtest: migration-test: Add tests for fixed-ram file-based migration Fabiano Rosas
2023-03-30 18:03 ` [RFC PATCH v1 14/26] migration: Add completion tracepoint Fabiano Rosas
2023-03-30 18:03 ` [RFC PATCH v1 15/26] migration/multifd: Remove direct "socket" references Fabiano Rosas
2023-03-30 18:03 ` [RFC PATCH v1 16/26] migration/multifd: Allow multifd without packets Fabiano Rosas
2023-03-30 18:03 ` [RFC PATCH v1 17/26] migration/multifd: Add outgoing QIOChannelFile support Fabiano Rosas
2023-03-30 18:03 ` [RFC PATCH v1 18/26] migration/multifd: Add incoming " Fabiano Rosas
2023-03-30 18:03 ` [RFC PATCH v1 19/26] migration/multifd: Add pages to the receiving side Fabiano Rosas
2023-03-30 18:03 ` [RFC PATCH v1 20/26] io: Add a pwritev/preadv version that takes a discontiguous iovec Fabiano Rosas
2023-03-30 18:03 ` [RFC PATCH v1 21/26] migration/ram: Add a wrapper for fixed-ram shadow bitmap Fabiano Rosas
2023-03-30 18:03 ` [RFC PATCH v1 22/26] migration/multifd: Support outgoing fixed-ram stream format Fabiano Rosas
2023-03-30 18:03 ` [RFC PATCH v1 23/26] migration/multifd: Support incoming " Fabiano Rosas
2023-03-30 18:03 ` [RFC PATCH v1 24/26] tests/qtest: Add a multifd + fixed-ram migration test Fabiano Rosas
2023-03-30 18:03 ` [RFC PATCH v1 25/26] migration: Add direct-io parameter Fabiano Rosas
2023-03-30 18:03 ` [RFC PATCH v1 26/26] tests/migration/guestperf: Add file, fixed-ram and direct-io support Fabiano Rosas
2023-03-30 21:41 ` [RFC PATCH v1 00/26] migration: File based migration with multifd and fixed-ram Peter Xu
2023-03-31 14:37 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-03-31 14:52 ` Peter Xu
2023-03-31 15:30 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-03-31 15:55 ` Peter Xu
2023-03-31 16:10 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-03-31 16:27 ` Peter Xu
2023-03-31 18:18 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-03-31 21:52 ` Peter Xu
2023-04-03 7:47 ` Claudio Fontana
2023-04-03 19:26 ` Peter Xu
2023-04-04 8:00 ` Claudio Fontana
2023-04-04 14:53 ` Peter Xu
2023-04-04 15:10 ` Claudio Fontana
2023-04-04 15:56 ` Peter Xu
2023-04-06 16:46 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-04-07 10:36 ` Claudio Fontana
2023-04-11 15:48 ` Peter Xu
2023-04-18 16:58 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-04-18 19:26 ` Peter Xu
2023-04-19 17:12 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-04-19 19:07 ` Peter Xu
2023-04-20 9:02 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-04-20 19:19 ` Peter Xu
2023-04-21 7:48 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-04-21 13:56 ` Peter Xu
2023-03-31 15:46 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-04-03 7:38 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-04-03 14:41 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-04-03 16:24 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-04-03 16:36 ` Fabiano Rosas
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