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From: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
To: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	Leonardo Bras <leobras@redhat.com>,
	qemu-block@nongnu.org, Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>, Fam Zheng <fam@euphon.net>,
	Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>,
	libvir-list@redhat.com, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC 4/6] migration: Deprecate -incoming <uri>
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 10:45:21 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZJG7gVTambX/f3p6@x1n> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZJGXT4z95dMx0rd7@redhat.com>

On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 01:10:55PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> In some cases it is worth having a convenience option for user friendliness.
> 
> In this case, however, users are already needing to use QMP/HMP on the
> source side to set migration parameters. I think it is reasonable to say
> that doing *exactly* the same with QMP/HMP on the destination side is
> actually more friendly than requiring use of -global on the dest side
> which is different syntax.

The -global parameters also work for the src side for my scripts, so I only
need to attach "-incoming tcp:XXX" for dst cmdline here.

> 
> We don't document the way to use -global with migration parameters so
> when people see '-incoming' I think we are steering them into a trap,
> making it look like -incoming is sufficient on its own. Hence that user's
> mistake recently about not setting migration parameters.
> 
> Overall I agree with deprecating  '-incoming' != 'defer', as I think it
> will better guide users to following the correct steps, as is not a
> usability burden as they're already using QMP/HMP on the source side.

I'd say -global is definitely not for users but for developers.  Just like
we keep around HMP - I'm not sure whether it's used in productions, I
thought it was only for developers and we don't deprecate it eagerly.

No strong opinions here if everyone wants to get rid of that, but before
that I hope we can have some kind of cmdline tool that can easily tunnel
qmp commands so whoever developers using pure cmdlines can switch to the
new way easily.

Thanks,

-- 
Peter Xu



  reply	other threads:[~2023-06-20 14:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-06-12 19:33 [RFC 0/6] Migration deprecated parts Juan Quintela
2023-06-12 19:33 ` [RFC 1/6] migration: skipped field is really obsolete Juan Quintela
2023-06-20 12:01   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-06-22 17:49     ` Juan Quintela
2023-06-12 19:33 ` [RFC 2/6] migration: migrate 'inc' command option is deprecated Juan Quintela
2023-06-20 12:05   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-06-22 18:11     ` Juan Quintela
2023-06-12 19:33 ` [RFC 3/6] migration: migrate 'blk' " Juan Quintela
2023-06-20 12:06   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-06-22 18:12     ` Juan Quintela
2023-06-12 19:33 ` [RFC 4/6] migration: Deprecate -incoming <uri> Juan Quintela
2023-06-12 19:41   ` Peter Xu
2023-06-12 20:51     ` Juan Quintela
2023-06-12 21:19       ` Peter Xu
2023-06-20 12:13         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-06-22 19:34         ` Juan Quintela
2023-06-20 12:10       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-06-20 14:45         ` Peter Xu [this message]
2023-06-22  8:28       ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-06-22  8:52         ` Juan Quintela
2023-06-22  9:22           ` Thomas Huth
2023-06-22 15:25             ` Peter Xu
2023-06-22 19:37               ` Juan Quintela
2023-06-22  9:45           ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-06-22 10:01             ` Juan Quintela
2023-06-22 15:24               ` Peter Xu
2023-06-22 16:03                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-06-22  9:59           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-06-22 15:54             ` Peter Xu
2023-06-22 16:33               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-06-22 19:20                 ` Peter Xu
2023-06-23  7:17                   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-06-23 14:34                     ` Peter Xu
2023-06-23  8:23               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-06-23 14:51                 ` Peter Xu
2023-06-23 15:03                   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-06-21  7:08   ` Thomas Huth
2023-06-22  2:22     ` Juan Quintela
2023-06-22  8:30     ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-06-22 18:12   ` Juan Quintela
2023-06-12 19:33 ` [RFC 5/6] migration: Deprecate block migration Juan Quintela
2023-06-21 11:45   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-06-22 18:17     ` Juan Quintela
2023-06-12 19:33 ` [RFC 6/6] migration: Deprecated old compression method Juan Quintela
2023-06-21  7:14   ` Thomas Huth
2023-06-22 19:21     ` Juan Quintela
2023-06-21 10:31   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-06-22 19:32     ` Juan Quintela
2023-06-13  7:48 ` [RFC 0/6] Migration deprecated parts Jiri Denemark

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