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From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Cc: Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	Leonardo Bras <leobras@redhat.com>,
	qemu-block@nongnu.org, Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>, Fam Zheng <fam@euphon.net>,
	Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>,
	libvir-list@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [RFC 4/6] migration: Deprecate -incoming <uri>
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 09:23:18 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZJVWdgXWad2w+za3@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZJRuw19Rc1LlPQId@x1n>

On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 11:54:43AM -0400, Peter Xu wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 10:59:58AM +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> > I've mentioned several times before that the user should never need to
> > set this multifd-channels parameter (nor many other parameters) on the
> > destination in the first place.
> > 
> > The QEMU migration stream should be changed to add a full
> > bi-directional handshake, with negotiation of most parameters.
> > IOW, the src QEMU should be configured with 16 channels, and
> > it should connect the primary control channel, and then directly
> > tell the dest that it wants to use 16 multifd channels.
> > 
> > If we're expecting the user to pass this info across to the dest
> > manually we've already spectacularly failed wrt user friendliness.
> 
> I can try to move the todo even higher.  Trying to list the initial goals
> here:
> 
> - One extra phase of handshake between src/dst (maybe the time to boost
>   QEMU_VM_FILE_VERSION) before anything else happens.
> 
> - Dest shouldn't need to apply any cap/param, it should get all from src.
>   Dest still need to be setup with an URI and that should be all it needs.

There are a few that the dest will still need set explicitly. Specifically
the TLS parameters - tls-authz and tls-creds, because those are both
related to --object parameters configured on the dst QEMU. Potentially
there's an argument to be made for the TLS parameters to be part fo the
initial 'migrate' and 'migrate-incoming' command data, as they're
specifically related to the connection establishment, while (most) of
the other params are related to the migration protocol running inside
the connection.

A few other parameters are also related to the connection establishment,
most notably the enablement multifd, postcopy and postcopy-pre-empt.

I think with those ones we don't need to set them on the src either.
With the new migration handshake we should probably use multifd
codepaths unconditionally, with a single channel. By matching with
the introduction of new protocol, we have a nice point against which
to deprecate the old non-multifd codepaths. We'll need to keep the
non-multifd code around *alot* longer than the normal deprecation
cycle though, as we need mig to/from very old QEMUs.

The enablement of postcopy could be automatic too - src & dst can
both detect if their host OS supports it. That would make all
migrations post-copy capable. The mgmt app just needs to trigger
the switch to post-copy mode *if* they want to use it.

Likewise we can just always assume postcopy-pre-empt is available.

I think 'return-path' becomes another one we can just assume too.

With regards,
Daniel
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-06-23  8:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-06-12 19:33 [RFC 0/6] Migration deprecated parts Juan Quintela
2023-06-12 19:33 ` [RFC 1/6] migration: skipped field is really obsolete Juan Quintela
2023-06-20 12:01   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-06-22 17:49     ` Juan Quintela
2023-06-12 19:33 ` [RFC 2/6] migration: migrate 'inc' command option is deprecated Juan Quintela
2023-06-20 12:05   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-06-22 18:11     ` Juan Quintela
2023-06-12 19:33 ` [RFC 3/6] migration: migrate 'blk' " Juan Quintela
2023-06-20 12:06   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-06-22 18:12     ` Juan Quintela
2023-06-12 19:33 ` [RFC 4/6] migration: Deprecate -incoming <uri> Juan Quintela
2023-06-12 19:41   ` Peter Xu
2023-06-12 20:51     ` Juan Quintela
2023-06-12 21:19       ` Peter Xu
2023-06-20 12:13         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-06-22 19:34         ` Juan Quintela
2023-06-20 12:10       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-06-20 14:45         ` Peter Xu
2023-06-22  8:28       ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-06-22  8:52         ` Juan Quintela
2023-06-22  9:22           ` Thomas Huth
2023-06-22 15:25             ` Peter Xu
2023-06-22 19:37               ` Juan Quintela
2023-06-22  9:45           ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-06-22 10:01             ` Juan Quintela
2023-06-22 15:24               ` Peter Xu
2023-06-22 16:03                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-06-22  9:59           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-06-22 15:54             ` Peter Xu
2023-06-22 16:33               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-06-22 19:20                 ` Peter Xu
2023-06-23  7:17                   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-06-23 14:34                     ` Peter Xu
2023-06-23  8:23               ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2023-06-23 14:51                 ` Peter Xu
2023-06-23 15:03                   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-06-21  7:08   ` Thomas Huth
2023-06-22  2:22     ` Juan Quintela
2023-06-22  8:30     ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-06-22 18:12   ` Juan Quintela
2023-06-12 19:33 ` [RFC 5/6] migration: Deprecate block migration Juan Quintela
2023-06-21 11:45   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-06-22 18:17     ` Juan Quintela
2023-06-12 19:33 ` [RFC 6/6] migration: Deprecated old compression method Juan Quintela
2023-06-21  7:14   ` Thomas Huth
2023-06-22 19:21     ` Juan Quintela
2023-06-21 10:31   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-06-22 19:32     ` Juan Quintela
2023-06-13  7:48 ` [RFC 0/6] Migration deprecated parts Jiri Denemark

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