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From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, qemu-ppc@nongnu.org,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Peter Xu" <peterx@redhat.com>,
	"Igor Mammedov" <imammedo@redhat.com>,
	"Thiner Logoer" <logoerthiner1@163.com>,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>,
	"Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	"Elena Ufimtseva" <elena.ufimtseva@oracle.com>,
	"Jagannathan Raman" <jag.raman@oracle.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Ani Sinha" <anisinha@redhat.com>,
	"Xiao Guangrong" <xiaoguangrong.eric@gmail.com>,
	"Daniel Henrique Barboza" <danielhb413@gmail.com>,
	"Greg Kurz" <groug@kaod.org>, "Eric Blake" <eblake@redhat.com>,
	"Markus Armbruster" <armbru@redhat.com>,
	"Eduardo Habkost" <eduardo@habkost.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 9/9] docs: Start documenting VM templating
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 14:47:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZOS8ZNaRrcrNNNOe@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230822114504.239505-10-david@redhat.com>

On Tue, Aug 22, 2023 at 01:44:57PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> Let's add some details about VM templating, focusing on the VM memory
> configuration only.
> 
> There is much more to VM templating (VM state? block devices?), but I leave
> that as future work.

Then there's the supposedly "unique" hardware identifiers, most notably
VM UUID & NIC MAC addr that don't change if you create many VMs from
a "template". Or from the guest OS there are "unique" things like
/etc/machine-id, SSH host keys, web server certificates, etc.

The vmgenid device at least provides a way for guest OS to get notified
to update its unique resources/identifiers, but doesn't solve the overall
VM UUID. NIC MAC addr could be solved by hotunplug+plug either side of
creating the template & instantiating the template.

> 
> Signed-off-by: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
> ---
>  docs/vm-templating.txt | 109 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Can you make this doument RST from the start and link to it from
somewhere appropriate in our documentation. Perhaps it should live
under the docs/system/ directory ?

>  1 file changed, 109 insertions(+)
>  create mode 100644 docs/vm-templating.txt
> 
> diff --git a/docs/vm-templating.txt b/docs/vm-templating.txt
> new file mode 100644
> index 0000000000..419362c1ea
> --- /dev/null
> +++ b/docs/vm-templating.txt
> @@ -0,0 +1,109 @@
> +QEMU VM templating
> +==================
> +
> +This document explains how to use VM templating in QEMU.
> +
> +For now, the focus is on VM memory aspects, and not about how to save and
> +restore other VM state (i.e., migrate-to-file with 'x-ignore-shared').
> +
> +Overview
> +--------
> +
> +With VM templating, a single template VM serves as the starting point for
> +new VMs. This allows for fast and efficient replication of VMs, resulting
> +in fast startup times and reduced memory consumption.
> +
> +Conceptually, the VM state is frozen, to then be used as a basis for new
> +VMs. The Copy-On-Write mechanism in the operating systems makes
> +sure that new VMs are able to read template VM memory; however, any
> +modifications stay private and don't modify the original template VM or any
> +other created VM.

I feel like we should have a paragraph at the top here explicitly calling
out the dangers of templating, wrt to unique data in the hardware and guest
OS. Don't have to provide solutions, just more of a scarcy "here be dragons"
warning to users who might be tempted to try this.

With regards,
Daniel
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  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-22 13:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-22 11:44 [PATCH v2 0/9] memory-backend-file related improvements and VM templating support David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 11:44 ` [PATCH v2 1/9] nvdimm: Reject writing label data to ROM instead of crashing QEMU David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 19:25   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-08-22 11:44 ` [PATCH v2 2/9] softmmu/physmem: Distinguish between file access mode and mmap protection David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 13:13   ` ThinerLogoer
2023-08-22 13:25     ` [PATCH " David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 11:44 ` [PATCH v2 3/9] backends/hostmem-file: Add "rom" property to support VM templating with R/O files David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 13:27   ` Markus Armbruster
2023-08-22 13:29     ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 14:26   ` ThinerLogoer
2023-08-23 12:43     ` [PATCH " David Hildenbrand
2023-08-23 14:47       ` ThinerLogoer
2023-08-23 14:59         ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 11:44 ` [PATCH v2 4/9] softmmu/physmem: Remap with proper protection in qemu_ram_remap() David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 11:44 ` [PATCH v2 5/9] softmmu/physmem: Bail out early in ram_block_discard_range() with readonly files David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 11:44 ` [PATCH v2 6/9] softmmu/physmem: Fail creation of new files in file_ram_open() with readonly=true David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 11:44 ` [PATCH v2 7/9] softmmu/physmem: Never return directories from file_ram_open() David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 11:44 ` [PATCH v2 8/9] docs: Don't mention "-mem-path" in multi-process.rst David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 13:21   ` ThinerLogoer
2023-08-22 13:24     ` [PATCH " David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 11:44 ` [PATCH v2 9/9] docs: Start documenting VM templating David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 13:47   ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2023-08-22 14:04     ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-22 14:23   ` Peter Maydell
2023-08-22 14:31     ` David Hildenbrand

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