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From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: "Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>
Cc: "Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Michael Tokarev" <mjt@tls.msk.ru>,
	"Cleber Rosa" <crosa@redhat.com>, "Joel Stanley" <joel@jms.id.au>,
	"Wainer dos Santos Moschetta" <wainersm@redhat.com>,
	"Beraldo Leal" <bleal@redhat.com>,
	"Richard Henderson" <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
	"Pavel Dovgalyuk" <pavel.dovgaluk@ispras.ru>,
	qemu-arm@nongnu.org, "Thomas Huth" <thuth@redhat.com>,
	"Jiaxun Yang" <jiaxun.yang@flygoat.com>,
	"John Snow" <jsnow@redhat.com>,
	"Mark Cave-Ayland" <mark.cave-ayland@ilande.co.uk>,
	"Peter Maydell" <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	"Laurent Vivier" <lvivier@redhat.com>,
	"Aurelien Jarno" <aurelien@aurel32.net>,
	"Marc-André Lureau" <marcandre.lureau@redhat.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Markus Armbruster" <armbru@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/9] tests: update Debian images to Bookworm
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 13:00:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZQRHVIkgme0EOm/I@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <242dc7bd-f0c4-d58c-fc6a-f3ddc0168bf2@linaro.org>

On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 12:53:30PM +0200, Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote:
> On 15/9/23 11:24, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 11:14:29AM +0200, Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote:
> > > On 14/9/23 17:54, Alex Bennée wrote:
> > > > Bookworm has been out a while now. Time to update our containers to
> > > > the current stable. This requires the latest lcitool repo so update
> > > > the sub-module too.
> > > > 
> > > > For some reason the MIPs containers won't build so skip those for now.
> > > 
> > > Debian removed mipsel:
> > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2023/09/msg00000.html
> > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2019/08/msg00582.html ...
> > 
> > Wwith our general aim to support latest release, plus the previous
> > release (capped to a maximum of 2 years), we can still consider
> > mipsel supportable in QEMU CI by sticking with oldstable (Bullseye)
> > for the mipsel containers.
> > 
> > Once Debian 13 comes out, however, we'll be discarding Bullseye
> > from CI and so we'll be unable to do CI for mipsel. At the very
> > least this means we'll consider mipsel to be downgraded in terms
> > of supportability when that happens. We might then consider
> > explicitly dropping it as a buld target entirely, as the writing
> > is on the wall for 32-bit OS platforms in general...
> 
> I'm fine with dropping system emulation on 32-bit hosts, but a bit
> reluctant to drop user emulation there. Anyhow I agree with our
> distrib releases support rules, so the mipsel buildsys part is
> effectively condemned.

I wouldn't say condemned, because we are free to continue including
mipsel code in QEMU if we desire - we just will be unable to
guarantee that it works correctly - we'd be relying on developers
and users to report bugs and test it on whatever distro thye happen
to still have working.  Cutting it back to just user emulation is
a reasonable thing - testing user mode guest is not locked into
our support matrix, so we can easily test user mode binaries via
ancient distros if desired.

With regards,
Daniel
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-09-15 12:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-14 15:54 [PATCH 0/9] testing/next: avocado, gitlab, docker, cirrus Alex Bennée
2023-09-14 15:54 ` [PATCH 1/9] tests: update Debian images to Bookworm Alex Bennée
2023-09-14 16:10   ` Thomas Huth
2023-09-15  9:14   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-09-15  9:24     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-09-15 10:53       ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-09-15 11:24         ` Thomas Huth
2023-09-15 12:00         ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2023-09-14 15:54 ` [PATCH 2/9] gitlab: fix typo/spelling in comments Alex Bennée
2023-09-14 16:07   ` Thomas Huth
2023-09-14 17:21   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-09-14 15:54 ` [PATCH 3/9] tests/docker: Update docker-loongarch-cross toolchain Alex Bennée
2023-09-14 15:54 ` [PATCH 4/9] microbit: add missing qtest_quit() call Alex Bennée
2023-09-14 15:54 ` [PATCH 5/9] qtest: kill orphaned qtest QEMU processes on FreeBSD Alex Bennée
2023-09-14 15:54 ` [PATCH 6/9] gitlab: make Cirrus CI timeout explicit Alex Bennée
2023-09-14 15:54 ` [PATCH 7/9] gitlab: make Cirrus CI jobs gating Alex Bennée
2023-09-15  9:15   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-09-14 15:54 ` [PATCH 8/9] tests/avocado: Fix console data loss Alex Bennée
2023-09-15  9:18   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-09-14 15:54 ` [PATCH 9/9] tests/avocado: Disable MIPS Malta tests due to GitLab issue #1884 Alex Bennée

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