From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51F11EE6457 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2023 12:01:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qh7V2-0008G7-DQ; Fri, 15 Sep 2023 08:00:40 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qh7Uy-0008Eq-8C for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2023 08:00:37 -0400 Received: from us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com ([170.10.133.124]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qh7Ut-0006GN-84 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2023 08:00:34 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1694779229; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=t89cCaSgAmZtTUrikE8w9841NqS6ojPrpDsBQYgPXgQ=; b=eY2nlV+Y2jJoJF+31//QPBCJlArA0Eeob+d8H0UDVK5p8ue9p0QLTkmJOkmWQY4ec66sY/ qQ8k0zVWCHeqjGUKRO3BJOYAqcJwRHTBm1wwdj5CEoZeHdYAEb9bW2JqYrjPtpvX/WsbrI USXWhGKsnsOe7hisKP9PjjktP9uWbqk= Received: from mimecast-mx02.redhat.com (mimecast-mx02.redhat.com [66.187.233.88]) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP with STARTTLS (version=TLSv1.2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id us-mta-614-igbImswUO7uYakpbC2VfRw-1; Fri, 15 Sep 2023 08:00:26 -0400 X-MC-Unique: igbImswUO7uYakpbC2VfRw-1 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx05.intmail.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com [10.11.54.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mimecast-mx02.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 76A5D803470; Fri, 15 Sep 2023 12:00:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from redhat.com (unknown [10.42.28.37]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1ED04176DE; Fri, 15 Sep 2023 12:00:22 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 13:00:20 +0100 From: Daniel =?utf-8?B?UC4gQmVycmFuZ8Op?= To: Philippe =?utf-8?Q?Mathieu-Daud=C3=A9?= Cc: Alex =?utf-8?Q?Benn=C3=A9e?= , qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Michael Tokarev , Cleber Rosa , Joel Stanley , Wainer dos Santos Moschetta , Beraldo Leal , Richard Henderson , Pavel Dovgalyuk , qemu-arm@nongnu.org, Thomas Huth , Jiaxun Yang , John Snow , Mark Cave-Ayland , Peter Maydell , Laurent Vivier , Aurelien Jarno , =?utf-8?Q?Marc-Andr=C3=A9?= Lureau , Paolo Bonzini , Markus Armbruster Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/9] tests: update Debian images to Bookworm Message-ID: References: <20230914155422.426639-1-alex.bennee@linaro.org> <20230914155422.426639-2-alex.bennee@linaro.org> <30ac04ad-eb02-90ad-57ff-089538413602@linaro.org> <242dc7bd-f0c4-d58c-fc6a-f3ddc0168bf2@linaro.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <242dc7bd-f0c4-d58c-fc6a-f3ddc0168bf2@linaro.org> User-Agent: Mutt/2.2.9 (2022-11-12) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 3.1 on 10.11.54.5 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=170.10.133.124; envelope-from=berrange@redhat.com; helo=us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: qemu-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Daniel =?utf-8?B?UC4gQmVycmFuZ8Op?= Errors-To: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Sender: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 12:53:30PM +0200, Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote: > On 15/9/23 11:24, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 11:14:29AM +0200, Philippe Mathieu-Daudé wrote: > > > On 14/9/23 17:54, Alex Bennée wrote: > > > > Bookworm has been out a while now. Time to update our containers to > > > > the current stable. This requires the latest lcitool repo so update > > > > the sub-module too. > > > > > > > > For some reason the MIPs containers won't build so skip those for now. > > > > > > Debian removed mipsel: > > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2023/09/msg00000.html > > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2019/08/msg00582.html ... > > > > Wwith our general aim to support latest release, plus the previous > > release (capped to a maximum of 2 years), we can still consider > > mipsel supportable in QEMU CI by sticking with oldstable (Bullseye) > > for the mipsel containers. > > > > Once Debian 13 comes out, however, we'll be discarding Bullseye > > from CI and so we'll be unable to do CI for mipsel. At the very > > least this means we'll consider mipsel to be downgraded in terms > > of supportability when that happens. We might then consider > > explicitly dropping it as a buld target entirely, as the writing > > is on the wall for 32-bit OS platforms in general... > > I'm fine with dropping system emulation on 32-bit hosts, but a bit > reluctant to drop user emulation there. Anyhow I agree with our > distrib releases support rules, so the mipsel buildsys part is > effectively condemned. I wouldn't say condemned, because we are free to continue including mipsel code in QEMU if we desire - we just will be unable to guarantee that it works correctly - we'd be relying on developers and users to report bugs and test it on whatever distro thye happen to still have working. Cutting it back to just user emulation is a reasonable thing - testing user mode guest is not locked into our support matrix, so we can easily test user mode binaries via ancient distros if desired. 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