From: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
To: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
"Fabiano Rosas" <farosas@suse.de>
Cc: "Fabiano Rosas" <farosas@suse.de>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, armbru@redhat.com,
"Juan Quintela" <quintela@redhat.com>,
"Leonardo Bras" <leobras@redhat.com>,
"Claudio Fontana" <cfontana@suse.de>,
"Nikolay Borisov" <nborisov@suse.com>,
"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
"David Hildenbrand" <david@redhat.com>,
"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 15/29] migration/ram: Add support for 'fixed-ram' outgoing migration
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2023 11:23:37 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZUJteaz84IYy1LC6@x1n> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZTjiblfeOCTY56e4@redhat.com>
On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 10:39:58AM +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> If I'm reading the code correctly the new format has some padding
> such that each "ramblock pages" region starts on a 1 MB boundary.
>
> eg so we get:
>
> --------------------------------
> | ramblock 1 header |
> --------------------------------
> | ramblock 1 fixed-ram header |
> --------------------------------
> | padding to next 1MB boundary |
> | ... |
> --------------------------------
> | ramblock 1 pages |
> | ... |
> --------------------------------
> | ramblock 2 header |
> --------------------------------
> | ramblock 2 fixed-ram header |
> --------------------------------
> | padding to next 1MB boundary |
> | ... |
> --------------------------------
> | ramblock 2 pages |
> | ... |
> --------------------------------
> | ... |
> --------------------------------
> | RAM_SAVE_FLAG_EOS |
> --------------------------------
> | ... |
> -------------------------------
When reading the series, I was thinking one more thing on whether fixed-ram
would like to leverage compression in the future?
To be exact, not really fixed-ram as a feature, but non-live snapshot as
the real use case. More below.
I just noticed that compression can be a great feature to have for such use
case, where the image size can be further shrinked noticeably. In this
case, speed of savevm may not matter as much as image size (as compression
can take some more cpu overhead): VM will be stopped anyway.
With current fixed-ram layout, we probably can't have compression due to
two reasons:
- We offset each page with page alignment in the final image, and that's
where fixed-ram as the term comes from; more fundamentally,
- We allow src VM to run (dropping auto-pause as the plan, even if we
plan to guarantee it not run; QEMU still can't take that as
guaranteed), then we need page granule on storing pages, and then it's
hard to know the size of each page after compressed.
If with the guarantee that VM is stopped, I think compression should be
easy to get? Because right after dropping the page-granule requirement, we
can compress in chunks, storing binary in the image, one page written once.
We may lose O_DIRECT but we can consider the hardware accelerators on
[de]compress if necessary.
I'm just raising this up to discuss to make sure we're on the same page.
Again, maybe that's not a concern to anyone, but I want to double check
with all of us, because it will affect the whole design including the image
layout. I want to make sure we don't introduce another totally different
image layout in the near future just to support compression.
Thanks,
--
Peter Xu
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-11-01 15:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-10-23 20:35 [PATCH v2 00/29] migration: File based migration with multifd and fixed-ram Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 01/29] tests/qtest: migration events Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25 9:44 ` Thomas Huth
2023-10-25 10:14 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-25 13:21 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25 13:33 ` Steven Sistare
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 02/29] tests/qtest: Move QTestMigrationState to libqtest Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25 10:17 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-25 13:19 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 03/29] tests/qtest: Allow waiting for migration events Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 04/29] migration: Return the saved state from global_state_store Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25 10:19 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 05/29] migration: Introduce global_state_store_once Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 06/29] migration: Add auto-pause capability Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-24 5:25 ` Markus Armbruster
2023-10-24 18:12 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25 5:33 ` Markus Armbruster
2023-10-25 8:48 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-25 13:57 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25 14:20 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-25 14:58 ` Peter Xu
2023-10-25 15:25 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-25 15:36 ` Peter Xu
2023-10-25 15:40 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-25 17:20 ` Peter Xu
2023-10-25 17:31 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-25 19:28 ` Peter Xu
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 07/29] migration: Run "file:" migration with a stopped VM Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 08/29] tests/qtest: File migration auto-pause tests Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 09/29] io: add and implement QIO_CHANNEL_FEATURE_SEEKABLE for channel file Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 10/29] io: Add generic pwritev/preadv interface Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-24 8:18 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-24 19:06 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 11/29] io: implement io_pwritev/preadv for QIOChannelFile Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 12/29] migration/qemu-file: add utility methods for working with seekable channels Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25 10:22 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 13/29] migration: fixed-ram: Add URI compatibility check Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25 10:27 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-31 16:06 ` Peter Xu
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 14/29] migration/ram: Introduce 'fixed-ram' migration capability Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-24 5:33 ` Markus Armbruster
2023-10-24 18:35 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25 6:18 ` Markus Armbruster
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 15/29] migration/ram: Add support for 'fixed-ram' outgoing migration Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25 9:39 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-25 14:03 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-11-01 15:23 ` Peter Xu [this message]
2023-11-01 15:52 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-01 16:24 ` Peter Xu
2023-11-01 16:37 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-01 17:30 ` Peter Xu
2023-10-31 16:52 ` Peter Xu
2023-10-31 17:33 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-31 17:59 ` Peter Xu
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 16/29] migration/ram: Add support for 'fixed-ram' migration restore Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25 9:43 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-25 14:07 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-31 19:03 ` Peter Xu
2023-11-01 9:26 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-01 14:21 ` Peter Xu
2023-11-01 14:28 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-01 15:00 ` Peter Xu
2023-11-06 13:18 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-11-06 21:00 ` Peter Xu
2023-11-07 9:02 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-31 19:09 ` Peter Xu
2023-10-31 20:00 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 17/29] tests/qtest: migration-test: Add tests for fixed-ram file-based migration Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 18/29] migration/multifd: Allow multifd without packets Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 19/29] migration/multifd: Add outgoing QIOChannelFile support Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25 9:52 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-25 14:12 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25 14:23 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-25 15:00 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25 15:26 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-31 20:11 ` Peter Xu
2023-10-23 20:35 ` [PATCH v2 20/29] migration/multifd: Add incoming " Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25 10:29 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-25 14:18 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-31 21:28 ` Peter Xu
2023-10-23 20:36 ` [PATCH v2 21/29] migration/multifd: Add pages to the receiving side Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-31 22:10 ` Peter Xu
2023-10-31 23:18 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-11-01 15:55 ` Peter Xu
2023-11-01 17:20 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-11-01 17:35 ` Peter Xu
2023-11-01 18:14 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-23 20:36 ` [PATCH v2 22/29] io: Add a pwritev/preadv version that takes a discontiguous iovec Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-24 8:50 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-23 20:36 ` [PATCH v2 23/29] migration/ram: Add a wrapper for fixed-ram shadow bitmap Fabiano Rosas
2023-11-01 14:29 ` Peter Xu
2023-10-23 20:36 ` [PATCH v2 24/29] migration/ram: Ignore multifd flush when doing fixed-ram migration Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25 9:09 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-23 20:36 ` [PATCH v2 25/29] migration/multifd: Support outgoing fixed-ram stream format Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25 9:23 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-25 14:21 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-23 20:36 ` [PATCH v2 26/29] migration/multifd: Support incoming " Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-23 20:36 ` [PATCH v2 27/29] tests/qtest: Add a multifd + fixed-ram migration test Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-23 20:36 ` [PATCH v2 28/29] migration: Add direct-io parameter Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-24 5:41 ` Markus Armbruster
2023-10-24 19:32 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25 6:23 ` Markus Armbruster
2023-10-25 8:44 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-25 14:32 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25 14:43 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-25 17:30 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25 17:45 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-25 18:10 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-30 22:51 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-31 9:03 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-31 13:05 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-31 13:45 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-31 14:33 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-31 15:22 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-31 15:52 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-31 15:58 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-31 19:05 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-11-01 9:30 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-01 12:16 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-11-01 12:23 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-01 12:30 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-24 8:33 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-24 19:06 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25 9:07 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-25 14:48 ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25 15:22 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-10-23 20:36 ` [PATCH v2 29/29] tests/qtest: Add a test for migration with direct-io and multifd Fabiano Rosas
2023-10-25 9:25 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
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