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From: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy <vsementsov@yandex-team.ru>,
	Fiona Ebner <f.ebner@proxmox.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, qemu-block@nongnu.org, eblake@redhat.com,
	hreitz@redhat.com, jsnow@redhat.com, den@virtuozzo.com,
	t.lamprecht@proxmox.com, alexander.ivanov@virtuozzo.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/10] mirror: allow switching from background to active mode
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2023 12:54:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZUTffE0wfjLH2u+e@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87o7gbyy8w.fsf@pond.sub.org>

Am 03.11.2023 um 10:36 hat Markus Armbruster geschrieben:
> Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy <vsementsov@yandex-team.ru> writes:
> 
> > On 11.10.23 13:18, Fiona Ebner wrote:
> >> Am 10.10.23 um 19:55 schrieb Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy:
> >>> On 09.10.23 12:46, Fiona Ebner wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Initially, I tried to go for a more general 'job-change' command, but
> >>>> I couldn't figure out a way to avoid mutual inclusion between
> >>>> block-core.json and job.json.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> What is the problem with it? I still think that job-change would be better.
> >>>
> >> If going for job-change in job.json, the dependencies would be
> >> job-change -> JobChangeOptions -> JobChangeOptionsMirror -> MirrorCopyMode
> >> query-jobs -> JobInfo -> JobInfoMirror
> >> and we can't include block-core.json in job.json, because an inclusion
> >> loop gives a build error.
> 
> Let me try to understand this.
> 
> Command job-change needs its argument type JobChangeOptions.
> 
> JobChangeOptions is a union, and JobChangeOptionsMirror is one of its
> branches.
> 
> JobChangeOptionsMirror needs MirrorCopyMode from block-core.json.
> 
> block-core.json needs job.json for JobType and JobStatus.
> 
> >> Could be made to work by moving MirrorCopyMode (and
> >> JobChangeOptionsMirror, JobInfoMirror) to job.json or some place that
> >> can be included by both job.json and block-core.json. Moving the
> >> type-specific definitions to the general job.json didn't feel right to
> >> me. Including another file with type-specific definitions in job.json
> >> feels slightly less wrong, but still not quite right and I didn't want
> >> to create a new file just for MirrorCopyMode (and
> >> JobChangeOptionsMirror, JobInfoMirror).
> >> And going further and moving all mirror-related things to a separate
> >> file would require moving along things like NewImageMode with it or
> >> create yet another file for such general things used by multiple block-jobs.
> >> If preferred, I can try and go with some version of the above.
> >> 
> >
> > OK, I see the problem. Seems, that all requires some good refactoring. But that's a preexisting big work, and should not hold up your series. I'm OK to proceed with block-job-change.
> 
> Saving ourselves some internal refactoring is a poor excuse for
> undesirable external interfaces.

I'm not sure how undesirable it is. We have block-job-* commands for
pretty much every other operation, so it's only consistent to have
block-job-change, too.

Having job-change, too, might be nice in theory, but we don't have even
a potential user for it at this point (i.e. a job type that isn't a
block job, but for which changing options at runtime makes sense).

> We need to answer two questions before we do that:
> 
> 1. How much work would the refactoring be?
> 
> 2. Is the interface improvement this enables worth the work?
> 
> Let's start with 1.
> 
> An obvious solution is to split JobType and JobStatus off job.json to
> break the dependency of block-core.json on job.json.
> 
> But I'd like us to investigate another one.  block-core.json is *huge*.
> It's almost a quarter of the entire QAPI schema.  Can we spin out block
> jobs into block-job.json?  Moves the dependency on job.json from
> block-core.json to block-job.json.

It also makes job.json depend on block-job.json instead of
block-core.json, so you only moved the problem without solving it.

Kevin



  reply	other threads:[~2023-11-03 11:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-09  9:46 [PATCH v2 00/10] mirror: allow switching from background to active mode Fiona Ebner
2023-10-09  9:46 ` [PATCH v2 01/10] blockjob: introduce block-job-change QMP command Fiona Ebner
2023-10-10 18:04   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-10-09  9:46 ` [PATCH v2 02/10] block/mirror: set actively_synced even after the job is ready Fiona Ebner
2023-10-09  9:46 ` [PATCH v2 03/10] block/mirror: move dirty bitmap to filter Fiona Ebner
2023-10-10 19:10   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-10-09  9:46 ` [PATCH v2 04/10] block/mirror: determine copy_to_target only once Fiona Ebner
2023-10-10 19:23   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-10-09  9:46 ` [PATCH v2 05/10] mirror: implement mirror_change method Fiona Ebner
2023-10-10 19:37   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-10-11 11:22     ` Fiona Ebner
2023-10-12 13:54       ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-10-09  9:46 ` [PATCH v2 06/10] qapi/block-core: use JobType for BlockJobInfo's type Fiona Ebner
2023-10-09  9:46 ` [PATCH v2 07/10] qapi/block-core: turn BlockJobInfo into a union Fiona Ebner
2023-10-09  9:46 ` [PATCH v2 08/10] blockjob: query driver-specific info via a new 'query' driver method Fiona Ebner
2023-10-10 19:51   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-10-09  9:46 ` [PATCH v2 09/10] mirror: return mirror-specific information upon query Fiona Ebner
2023-10-10 19:53   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-10-09  9:46 ` [PATCH v2 10/10] iotests: adapt test output for new mirror query property Fiona Ebner
2023-10-10 19:57   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-10-10 17:55 ` [PATCH v2 00/10] mirror: allow switching from background to active mode Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-10-10 20:01   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-10-11 10:18   ` Fiona Ebner
2023-10-12 14:10     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-11-03  9:36       ` Markus Armbruster
2023-11-03 11:54         ` Kevin Wolf [this message]
2023-11-03 15:56           ` Markus Armbruster
2024-02-28 18:07             ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2024-02-29  5:28               ` Markus Armbruster
2024-03-04 10:48               ` Kevin Wolf
2024-03-04 11:09                 ` Peter Krempa
2024-03-07 19:42                   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2024-03-08  8:21                     ` Fiona Ebner
2024-03-08  8:52                     ` Kevin Wolf
2024-03-11 15:15                       ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2024-03-12 13:44                         ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2024-03-12 15:49                           ` Kevin Wolf
2024-03-12 18:52                             ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2024-03-10 21:07                     ` Peter Krempa
2024-03-11 15:51                       ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2024-03-11 16:07                         ` Peter Krempa
2024-03-04 12:27                 ` Markus Armbruster

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