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From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Thomas Huth" <thuth@redhat.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>,
	"Marc-André Lureau" <marcandre.lureau@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] meson: mitigate against use of uninitialize stack for exploits
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2024 14:53:43 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZZ1d98ypIGbaM501@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87frz6lfzp.fsf@pond.sub.org>

On Tue, Jan 09, 2024 at 03:48:42PM +0100, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@redhat.com> writes:
> 
> > When variables are used without being initialized, there is potential
> > to take advantage of data that was pre-existing on the stack from an
> > earlier call, to drive an exploit.
> >
> > It is good practice to always initialize variables, and the compiler
> > can warn about flaws when -Wuninitialized is present. This warning,
> > however, is by no means foolproof with its output varying depending
> > on compiler version and which optimizations are enabled.
> >
> > The -ftrivial-auto-var-init option can be used to tell the compiler
> > to always initialize all variables. This increases the security and
> > predictability of the program, closing off certain attack vectors,
> > reducing the risk of unsafe memory disclosure.
> >
> > While the option takes several possible values, using 'zero' is
> > considered to be the  option that is likely to lead to semantically
> > correct or safe behaviour[1]. eg sizes/indexes are not likely to
> > lead to out-of-bounds accesses when initialized to zero. Pointers
> > are less likely to point something useful if initialized to zero.
> >
> > Even with -ftrivial-auto-var-init=zero set, GCC will still issue
> > warnings with -Wuninitialized if it discovers a problem, so we are
> > not loosing diagnostics for developers, just hardening runtime
> > behaviour and making QEMU behave more predictably in case of hitting
> > bad codepaths.
> >
> > [1] https://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/cfe-dev/2020-April/065221.html
> > Signed-off-by: Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@redhat.com>
> > ---
> >  meson.build | 5 +++++
> >  1 file changed, 5 insertions(+)
> >
> > diff --git a/meson.build b/meson.build
> > index eaa20d241d..efc1b4dd14 100644
> > --- a/meson.build
> > +++ b/meson.build
> > @@ -440,6 +440,11 @@ hardening_flags = [
> >      # upon its return. This makes it harder to assemble
> >      # ROP gadgets into something usable
> >      '-fzero-call-used-regs=used-gpr',
> > +
> > +    # Initialize all stack variables to zero. This makes
> > +    # it harder to take advantage of uninitialized stack
> > +    # data to drive exploits
> > +    '-ftrivial-auto-var-init=zero',
> >  ]
> >  
> >  qemu_common_flags += cc.get_supported_arguments(hardening_flags)
> 
> Have you tried to throw in -Wtrivial-auto-var-init?
> 
> Documentation, for your convenience:
> 
> ‘-Wtrivial-auto-var-init’
>      Warn when ‘-ftrivial-auto-var-init’ cannot initialize the automatic
>      variable.  A common situation is an automatic variable that is
>      declared between the controlling expression and the first case
>      label of a ‘switch’ statement.

No, I didn't notice that warning.  I'll have a look if it reoprts
any problems, but not optimistic since we probably have such code
patterns.

With regards,
Daniel
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      reply	other threads:[~2024-01-09 14:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-03 12:34 [PATCH v2 0/2] topic: meson: add more compiler hardening flags Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-01-03 12:34 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] meson: mitigate against ROP exploits with -fzero-call-used-regs Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-01-09 14:54   ` Markus Armbruster
2024-01-09 15:12     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-01-11 12:03       ` Markus Armbruster
2024-01-03 12:34 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] meson: mitigate against use of uninitialize stack for exploits Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-01-09 14:48   ` Markus Armbruster
2024-01-09 14:53     ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]

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