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From: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
To: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: Fabiano Rosas <farosas@suse.de>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, armbru@redhat.com,
	Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
	Leonardo Bras <leobras@redhat.com>,
	Claudio Fontana <cfontana@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 04/30] io: fsync before closing a file channel
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2024 17:31:41 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZaT7fTF7sonZZtG4@x1n> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZaT02OxpzC973cNm@redhat.com>

On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 09:03:20AM +0000, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 04:57:42PM +0800, Peter Xu wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 03:46:02PM -0300, Fabiano Rosas wrote:
> > > > (2) Why metadata doesn't matter (v.s. fsync(), when CONFIG_FDATASYNC=y)?
> > > 
> > > Syncing the inode information is not critical, it's mostly timestamp
> > > information (man inode). And fdatasync makes sure to sync any metadata
> > > that would be relevant for the retrieval of the data.
> > 
> > I forgot to reply to this one in the previous reply..
> > 
> > Timestamps look all fine to be old.  What about file size?  That's also in
> > "man inode" as metadata, but I'm not sure whether data will be fully valid
> > if e.g. size enlarged but not flushed along with the page caches.
> 
> If the size wasn't updated, then syncing of the data would be pointless.
> The man page confirms that size is synced:
> 
> [quote]
>        fdatasync() is similar to fsync(), but does not flush modified metadata
>        unless  that metadata is needed in order to allow a subsequent data re‐
>        trieval to be correctly handled.  For example, changes to  st_atime  or
>        st_mtime  (respectively, time of last access and time of last modifica‐
>        tion; see inode(7)) do not require flushing because they are not neces‐
>        sary for a subsequent data read to be handled correctly.  On the  other
>        hand, a change to the file size (st_size, as made by say ftruncate(2)),
>        would require a metadata flush.
> [/quote]

I should have read more carefully, sorry for the noise.

-- 
Peter Xu



  reply	other threads:[~2024-01-15  9:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-27 20:25 [RFC PATCH v3 00/30] migration: File based migration with multifd and fixed-ram Fabiano Rosas
2023-11-27 20:25 ` [RFC PATCH v3 01/30] io: add and implement QIO_CHANNEL_FEATURE_SEEKABLE for channel file Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-10  8:49   ` Peter Xu
2023-11-27 20:25 ` [RFC PATCH v3 02/30] io: Add generic pwritev/preadv interface Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-10  9:07   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-01-11  6:59   ` Peter Xu
2023-11-27 20:25 ` [RFC PATCH v3 03/30] io: implement io_pwritev/preadv for QIOChannelFile Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-10  9:08   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-01-11  7:04   ` Peter Xu
2023-11-27 20:25 ` [RFC PATCH v3 04/30] io: fsync before closing a file channel Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-10  9:04   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-01-11  8:44   ` Peter Xu
2024-01-11 18:46     ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-12  0:01       ` Peter Xu
2024-01-12 10:40         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-01-15  3:38           ` Peter Xu
2024-01-15  8:57       ` Peter Xu
2024-01-15  9:03         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-01-15  9:31           ` Peter Xu [this message]
2023-11-27 20:25 ` [RFC PATCH v3 05/30] migration/qemu-file: add utility methods for working with seekable channels Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-11  9:57   ` Peter Xu
2024-01-11 18:49     ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-11-27 20:25 ` [RFC PATCH v3 06/30] migration/ram: Introduce 'fixed-ram' migration capability Fabiano Rosas
2023-12-22 10:35   ` Markus Armbruster
2024-01-11 10:43   ` Peter Xu
2023-11-27 20:25 ` [RFC PATCH v3 07/30] migration: Add fixed-ram URI compatibility check Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-15  9:01   ` Peter Xu
2024-01-23 19:07     ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-23 19:07     ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-11-27 20:25 ` [RFC PATCH v3 08/30] migration/ram: Add outgoing 'fixed-ram' migration Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-15  9:28   ` Peter Xu
2024-01-15 14:50     ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-11-27 20:25 ` [RFC PATCH v3 09/30] migration/ram: Add incoming " Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-15  9:49   ` Peter Xu
2024-01-15 16:43     ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-11-27 20:25 ` [RFC PATCH v3 10/30] tests/qtest: migration-test: Add tests for fixed-ram file-based migration Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-15 10:01   ` Peter Xu
2023-11-27 20:25 ` [RFC PATCH v3 11/30] migration/multifd: Allow multifd without packets Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-15 11:51   ` Peter Xu
2024-01-15 18:39     ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-15 23:01       ` Peter Xu
2023-11-27 20:25 ` [RFC PATCH v3 12/30] migration/multifd: Allow QIOTask error reporting without an object Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-15 12:06   ` Peter Xu
2023-11-27 20:25 ` [RFC PATCH v3 13/30] migration/multifd: Add outgoing QIOChannelFile support Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-16  4:05   ` Peter Xu
2024-01-16  7:25     ` Peter Xu
2024-01-16 13:37     ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-17  8:28       ` Peter Xu
2024-01-17 17:34         ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-18  7:11           ` Peter Xu
2023-11-27 20:25 ` [RFC PATCH v3 14/30] migration/multifd: Add incoming " Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-16  6:29   ` Peter Xu
2023-11-27 20:25 ` [RFC PATCH v3 15/30] io: Add a pwritev/preadv version that takes a discontiguous iovec Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-16  6:58   ` Peter Xu
2024-01-16 18:15     ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-17  9:48       ` Peter Xu
2024-01-17 18:06         ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-18  7:44           ` Peter Xu
2024-01-18 12:47             ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-19  0:22               ` Peter Xu
2024-01-17 12:39   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-01-17 14:27     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-01-17 18:09       ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-11-27 20:25 ` [RFC PATCH v3 16/30] multifd: Rename MultiFDSendParams::data to compress_data Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-16  7:03   ` Peter Xu
2023-11-27 20:25 ` [RFC PATCH v3 17/30] migration/multifd: Decouple recv method from pages Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-16  7:23   ` Peter Xu
2023-11-27 20:26 ` [RFC PATCH v3 18/30] migration/multifd: Allow receiving pages without packets Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-16  8:10   ` Peter Xu
2024-01-16 20:25     ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-19  0:20       ` Peter Xu
2024-01-19 12:57         ` Fabiano Rosas
2023-11-27 20:26 ` [RFC PATCH v3 19/30] migration/ram: Ignore multifd flush when doing fixed-ram migration Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-16  8:23   ` Peter Xu
2024-01-17 18:13     ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-19  1:33       ` Peter Xu
2023-11-27 20:26 ` [RFC PATCH v3 20/30] migration/multifd: Support outgoing fixed-ram stream format Fabiano Rosas
2023-11-27 20:26 ` [RFC PATCH v3 21/30] migration/multifd: Support incoming " Fabiano Rosas
2023-11-27 20:26 ` [RFC PATCH v3 22/30] tests/qtest: Add a multifd + fixed-ram migration test Fabiano Rosas
2023-11-27 20:26 ` [RFC PATCH v3 23/30] migration: Add direct-io parameter Fabiano Rosas
2023-12-22 10:38   ` Markus Armbruster
2023-11-27 20:26 ` [RFC PATCH v3 24/30] tests/qtest: Add a test for migration with direct-io and multifd Fabiano Rosas
2023-11-27 20:26 ` [RFC PATCH v3 25/30] monitor: Honor QMP request for fd removal immediately Fabiano Rosas
2023-11-27 20:26 ` [RFC PATCH v3 26/30] monitor: Extract fdset fd flags comparison into a function Fabiano Rosas
2023-11-27 20:26 ` [RFC PATCH v3 27/30] monitor: fdset: Match against O_DIRECT Fabiano Rosas
2023-11-27 20:26 ` [RFC PATCH v3 28/30] docs/devel/migration.rst: Document the file transport Fabiano Rosas
2023-11-27 20:26 ` [RFC PATCH v3 29/30] migration: Add support for fdset with multifd + file Fabiano Rosas
2023-11-27 20:26 ` [RFC PATCH v3 30/30] tests/qtest: Add a test for fixed-ram with passing of fds Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-11 10:50 ` [RFC PATCH v3 00/30] migration: File based migration with multifd and fixed-ram Peter Xu
2024-01-11 18:38   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-15  6:22     ` Peter Xu
2024-01-15  8:11       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-01-15  8:41         ` Peter Xu
2024-01-15 19:45       ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-15 23:20         ` Peter Xu

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