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From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Peter Maydell" <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	devel@lists.libvirt.org, "Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>,
	"Laurent Vivier" <laurent@vivier.eu>,
	qemu-s390x@nongnu.org, qemu-arm@nongnu.org, qemu-ppc@nongnu.org,
	"Peter Xu" <peterx@redhat.com>, "Fabiano Rosas" <farosas@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] docs/about: Automatically deprecate versioned machine types older than 6 years
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2024 10:45:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZjC9w0A_VQlsY46p@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240430064529.411699-1-thuth@redhat.com>

On Tue, Apr 30, 2024 at 08:45:29AM +0200, Thomas Huth wrote:
> Old machine types often have bugs or work-arounds that affect our
> possibilities to move forward with the QEMU code base (see for example
> https://gitlab.com/qemu-project/qemu/-/issues/2213 for a bug that likely
> cannot be fixed without breaking live migration with old machine types,
> or https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2018-12/msg04516.html or
> commit ea985d235b86). So instead of going through the process of manually
> deprecating old machine types again and again, let's rather add an entry
> that can stay, which declares that machine types older than 6 years are
> considered as deprecated automatically. Six years should be sufficient to
> support the release cycles of most Linux distributions.

If anyone thinks 6 years is not very long, consider that this implies
QEMU will be maintaining *18* versions for each versioned machine type.

So across aarch64 'virt', x86 'pc' & 'q35', ppc 'spapr', s390x 'ccw',
and m68k 'virt', that's upto 108 machines we're keeping ABI preserved
for in the worst case...

> 
> Signed-off-by: Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>
> ---
>  docs/about/deprecated.rst | 11 +++++++++++
>  1 file changed, 11 insertions(+)
> 
> diff --git a/docs/about/deprecated.rst b/docs/about/deprecated.rst
> index 6d595de3b6..fe69e2d44c 100644
> --- a/docs/about/deprecated.rst
> +++ b/docs/about/deprecated.rst
> @@ -220,6 +220,17 @@ is a chance the code will bitrot without anyone noticing.
>  System emulator machines
>  ------------------------
>  
> +Versioned machine types older than 6 years
> +''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
> +
> +Starting with the release of QEMU 10.0, versioned machine types older than
> +6 years will automatically be considered as deprecated and might be due to

How about:

  s/6 years/6 years (equivalent to 18 releases)/

Also

  s/as deprecated/deprecated/
  s/due to/liable for/

> +removal without furthor notice. For example, this affects machine types like
> +pc-i440fx-X.Y, pc-q35-X.Y, pseries-X.Y, s390-ccw-virtio-X.Y or virt-X.Y where
> +X is the major number and Y is the minor number of the old QEMU version.
> +If you are still using machine types from QEMU versions older than 6 years,

Again

  s/6 years/6 years (equivalent to 18 releases)/


> +please update your setting to use a newer versioned machine type instead.

s/setting/configuration/

> +
>  Arm ``virt`` machine ``dtb-kaslr-seed`` property (since 7.1)
>  ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''

With regards,
Daniel
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-04-30  9:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-30  6:45 [PATCH] docs/about: Automatically deprecate versioned machine types older than 6 years Thomas Huth
2024-04-30  9:32 ` Peter Maydell
2024-04-30  9:40 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2024-04-30  9:58   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-04-30 10:02   ` Thomas Huth
2024-04-30  9:45 ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2024-04-30  9:58   ` Cédric Le Goater
2024-04-30  9:55 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-04-30 10:21   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-04-30 10:29   ` Thomas Huth
2024-04-30 16:54     ` Daniel P. Berrangé

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