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From: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
To: Steven Sistare <steven.sistare@oracle.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Fabiano Rosas <farosas@suse.de>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Igor Mammedov <imammedo@redhat.com>,
	Eduardo Habkost <eduardo@habkost.net>,
	Marcel Apfelbaum <marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com>,
	Philippe Mathieu-Daude <philmd@linaro.org>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V1 19/26] physmem: preserve ram blocks for cpr
Date: Wed, 29 May 2024 15:25:47 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZleBOx6pN6KCn0a2@x1n> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c3f23e83-81d7-469a-aa04-29785fa6f8d7@oracle.com>

On Wed, May 29, 2024 at 01:31:53PM -0400, Steven Sistare wrote:
> On 5/28/2024 5:44 PM, Peter Xu wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 29, 2024 at 08:55:28AM -0700, Steve Sistare wrote:
> > > Preserve fields of RAMBlocks that allocate their host memory during CPR so
> > > the RAM allocation can be recovered.
> > 
> > This sentence itself did not explain much, IMHO.  QEMU can share memory
> > using fd based memory already of all kinds, as long as the memory backend
> > is path-based it can be shared by sharing the same paths to dst.
> > 
> > This reads very confusing as a generic concept.  I mean, QEMU migration
> > relies on so many things to work right.  We mostly asks the users to "use
> > exactly the same cmdline for src/dst QEMU unless you know what you're
> > doing", otherwise many things can break.  That should also include ramblock
> > being matched between src/dst due to the same cmdlines provided on both
> > sides.  It'll be confusing to mention this when we thought the ramblocks
> > also rely on that fact.
> > 
> > So IIUC this sentence should be dropped in the real patch, and I'll try to
> > guess the real reason with below..
> 
> The properties of the implicitly created ramblocks must be preserved.
> The defaults can and do change between qemu releases, even when the command-line
> parameters do not change for the explicit objects that cause these implicit
> ramblocks to be created.

AFAIU, QEMU relies on ramblocks to be the same before this series.  Do you
have an example?  Would that already cause issue when migrate?

> 
> > > Mirror the mr->align field in the RAMBlock to simplify the vmstate.
> > > Preserve the old host address, even though it is immediately discarded,
> > > as it will be needed in the future for CPR with iommufd.  Preserve
> > > guest_memfd, even though CPR does not yet support it, to maintain vmstate
> > > compatibility when it becomes supported.
> > 
> > .. It could be about the vfio vaddr update feature that you mentioned and
> > only for iommufd (as IIUC vfio still relies on iova ranges, then it won't
> > help here)?
> > 
> > If so, IMHO we should have this patch (or any variance form) to be there
> > for your upcoming vfio support.  Keeping this around like this will make
> > the series harder to review.  Or is it needed even before VFIO?
> 
> This patch is needed independently of vfio or iommufd.
> 
> guest_memfd is independent of vfio or iommufd.  It is a recent addition
> which I have not tried to support, but I added this placeholder field
> to it can be supported in the future without adding a new field later
> and maintaining backwards compatibility.

Is guest_memfd the only user so far, then?  If so, would it be possible we
split it as a separate effort on top of the base cpr-exec support?

-- 
Peter Xu



  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-29 19:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-29 15:55 [PATCH V1 00/26] Live update: cpr-exec Steve Sistare
2024-04-29 15:55 ` [PATCH V1 01/26] oslib: qemu_clear_cloexec Steve Sistare
2024-05-06 23:27   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-07  8:56     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-05-07 13:54       ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-04-29 15:55 ` [PATCH V1 02/26] vl: helper to request re-exec Steve Sistare
2024-04-29 15:55 ` [PATCH V1 03/26] migration: SAVEVM_FOREACH Steve Sistare
2024-05-06 23:17   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-13 19:27     ` Steven Sistare
2024-05-27 18:14       ` Peter Xu
2024-04-29 15:55 ` [PATCH V1 04/26] migration: delete unused parameter mis Steve Sistare
2024-05-06 21:50   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-27 18:02   ` Peter Xu
2024-04-29 15:55 ` [PATCH V1 05/26] migration: precreate vmstate Steve Sistare
2024-05-07 21:02   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-13 19:28     ` Steven Sistare
2024-05-24 13:56   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-27 18:16   ` Peter Xu
2024-05-28 15:09     ` Steven Sistare via
2024-05-29 18:39       ` Peter Xu
2024-05-30 17:04         ` Steven Sistare via
2024-04-29 15:55 ` [PATCH V1 06/26] migration: precreate vmstate for exec Steve Sistare
2024-05-06 23:34   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-13 19:28     ` Steven Sistare
2024-05-13 21:21       ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-04-29 15:55 ` [PATCH V1 07/26] migration: VMStateId Steve Sistare
2024-05-07 21:03   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-27 18:20   ` Peter Xu
2024-05-28 15:10     ` Steven Sistare via
2024-05-28 17:44       ` Peter Xu
2024-05-29 17:30         ` Steven Sistare via
2024-05-29 18:53           ` Peter Xu
2024-05-30 17:11             ` Steven Sistare via
2024-05-30 18:03               ` Peter Xu
2024-04-29 15:55 ` [PATCH V1 08/26] migration: vmstate_info_void_ptr Steve Sistare
2024-05-07 21:33   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-27 18:31   ` Peter Xu
2024-05-28 15:10     ` Steven Sistare via
2024-05-28 18:21       ` Peter Xu
2024-05-29 17:30         ` Steven Sistare via
2024-04-29 15:55 ` [PATCH V1 09/26] migration: vmstate_register_named Steve Sistare
2024-05-09 14:19   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-09 14:32     ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-13 19:29       ` Steven Sistare
2024-04-29 15:55 ` [PATCH V1 10/26] migration: vmstate_unregister_named Steve Sistare
2024-04-29 15:55 ` [PATCH V1 11/26] migration: vmstate_register at init time Steve Sistare
2024-04-29 15:55 ` [PATCH V1 12/26] migration: vmstate factory object Steve Sistare
2024-04-29 15:55 ` [PATCH V1 13/26] physmem: ram_block_create Steve Sistare
2024-05-13 18:37   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-13 19:30     ` Steven Sistare
2024-04-29 15:55 ` [PATCH V1 14/26] physmem: hoist guest_memfd creation Steve Sistare
2024-04-29 15:55 ` [PATCH V1 15/26] physmem: hoist host memory allocation Steve Sistare
2024-04-29 15:55 ` [PATCH V1 16/26] physmem: set ram block idstr earlier Steve Sistare
2024-04-29 15:55 ` [PATCH V1 17/26] machine: memfd-alloc option Steve Sistare
2024-05-28 21:12   ` Peter Xu
2024-05-29 17:31     ` Steven Sistare via
2024-05-29 19:14       ` Peter Xu
2024-05-30 17:11         ` Steven Sistare via
2024-05-30 18:14           ` Peter Xu
2024-05-31 19:32             ` Steven Sistare via
2024-06-03 21:48               ` Peter Xu
2024-06-04  7:13                 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-06-04 15:58                   ` Peter Xu
2024-06-04 16:14                     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-04 16:41                       ` Peter Xu
2024-06-04 17:16                         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-03 10:17       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-06-03 11:59         ` Steven Sistare via
2024-04-29 15:55 ` [PATCH V1 18/26] migration: cpr-exec-args parameter Steve Sistare
2024-05-02 12:23   ` Markus Armbruster
2024-05-02 16:00     ` Steven Sistare
2024-05-21  8:13   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-04-29 15:55 ` [PATCH V1 19/26] physmem: preserve ram blocks for cpr Steve Sistare
2024-05-28 21:44   ` Peter Xu
2024-05-29 17:31     ` Steven Sistare via
2024-05-29 19:25       ` Peter Xu [this message]
2024-05-30 17:12         ` Steven Sistare via
2024-05-30 18:39           ` Peter Xu
2024-05-31 19:32             ` Steven Sistare via
2024-06-03 22:29               ` Peter Xu
2024-04-29 15:55 ` [PATCH V1 20/26] migration: cpr-exec mode Steve Sistare
2024-05-02 12:23   ` Markus Armbruster
2024-05-02 16:00     ` Steven Sistare
2024-05-03  6:26       ` Markus Armbruster
2024-05-21  8:20   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-05-24 14:58   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-27 18:54     ` Steven Sistare via
2024-04-29 15:55 ` [PATCH V1 21/26] migration: migrate_add_blocker_mode Steve Sistare
2024-05-09 17:47   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-04-29 15:55 ` [PATCH V1 22/26] migration: ram block cpr-exec blockers Steve Sistare
2024-05-09 18:01   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-13 19:29     ` Steven Sistare
2024-04-29 15:55 ` [PATCH V1 23/26] migration: misc " Steve Sistare
2024-05-09 18:05   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-24 12:40   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-27 19:02     ` Steven Sistare via
2024-04-29 15:55 ` [PATCH V1 24/26] seccomp: cpr-exec blocker Steve Sistare
2024-05-09 18:16   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-10  7:54   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-05-13 19:29     ` Steven Sistare
2024-05-21  7:14       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-04-29 15:55 ` [PATCH V1 25/26] migration: fix mismatched GPAs during cpr-exec Steve Sistare
2024-05-09 18:39   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-04-29 15:55 ` [PATCH V1 26/26] migration: only-migratable-modes Steve Sistare
2024-05-09 19:14   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-13 19:48     ` Steven Sistare
2024-05-13 21:57       ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-21  8:05   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-05-02 16:13 ` cpr-exec doc (was Re: [PATCH V1 00/26] Live update: cpr-exec) Steven Sistare
2024-05-02 18:15   ` Peter Xu
2024-05-20 18:30 ` [PATCH V1 00/26] Live update: cpr-exec Steven Sistare
2024-05-20 22:28   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-21  2:31     ` Peter Xu
2024-05-21 11:46       ` Steven Sistare
2024-05-27 17:45         ` Peter Xu
2024-05-28 15:10           ` Steven Sistare via
2024-05-28 16:42             ` Peter Xu
2024-05-30 17:17               ` Steven Sistare via
2024-05-30 19:23                 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-24 13:02 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-24 14:07   ` Steven Sistare
2024-05-27 18:07 ` Peter Xu

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