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From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Cc: Fabiano Rosas <farosas@suse.de>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, armbru@redhat.com,
	Claudio Fontana <cfontana@suse.de>, Jim Fehlig <jfehlig@suse.com>,
	Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>,
	Laurent Vivier <lvivier@redhat.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 18/18] migration/ram: Add direct-io support to precopy file migration
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2024 20:07:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZmdPByLWV-LKA72Z@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZmdNstq2bONG-7M7@x1n>

On Mon, Jun 10, 2024 at 03:02:10PM -0400, Peter Xu wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 10, 2024 at 02:45:53PM -0300, Fabiano Rosas wrote:
> > >> AIUI, the issue here that users are already allowed to specify in
> > >> libvirt the equivalent to direct-io and multifd independent of each
> > >> other (bypass-cache, parallel). To start requiring both together now in
> > >> some situations would be a regression. I confess I don't know libvirt
> > >> code to know whether this can be worked around somehow, but as I said,
> > >> it's a relatively simple change from the QEMU side.
> > >
> > > Firstly, I definitely want to already avoid all the calls to either
> > > migration_direct_io_start() or *_finish(), now we already need to
> > > explicitly call them in three paths, and that's not intuitive and less
> > > readable, just like the hard coded rdma codes.
> > 
> > Right, but that's just a side-effect of how the code is structured and
> > the fact that writes to the stream happen in small chunks. Setting
> > O_DIRECT needs to happen around aligned IO. We could move the calls
> > further down into qemu_put_buffer_at(), but that would be four fcntl()
> > calls for every page.
> 
> Hmm.. why we need four fcntl()s instead of two?
> 
> > 
> > A tangent:
> >  one thing that occured to me now is that we may be able to restrict
> >  calls to qemu_fflush() to internal code like add_to_iovec() and maybe
> >  use that function to gather the correct amount of data before writing,
> >  making sure it disables O_DIRECT in case alignment is about to be
> >  broken?
> 
> IIUC dio doesn't require alignment if we don't care about perf?  I meant it
> should be legal to write(fd, buffer, 5) even if O_DIRECT?

No, we must assume  that O_DIRECT requires alignment both of the userspace
memory buffers, and the file offset on disk:

[quote man(open)]
  O_DIRECT
       The O_DIRECT flag may impose alignment restrictions  on  the  length
       and  address  of user-space buffers and the file offset of I/Os.  In
       Linux alignment restrictions vary by filesystem and  kernel  version
       and  might  be absent entirely.  The handling of misaligned O_DIRECT
       I/Os also varies; they can either fail with EINVAL or fall  back  to
       buffered I/O.
[/quote]

Given QEMU's code base, it is only safe for us to use O_DIRECT with RAM
blocks where we have predictable in-memory alignment, and have defined
a good on-disk offset alignment too.


With regards,
Daniel
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  reply	other threads:[~2024-06-10 19:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-23 19:05 [PATCH v2 00/18] migration/mapped-ram: Add direct-io support Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 01/18] migration: Fix file migration with fdset Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-24 10:51   ` Prasad Pandit
2024-05-24 12:30     ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-25  6:16       ` Prasad Pandit
2024-05-30 16:11   ` Peter Xu
2024-05-31 14:58     ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-03 10:20   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 02/18] tests/qtest/migration: Fix file migration offset check Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-30 16:14   ` Peter Xu
2024-06-03 10:21   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 03/18] tests/qtest/migration: Add a precopy file test with fdset Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-30 16:18   ` Peter Xu
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 04/18] monitor: Drop monitor_fdset_dup_fd_add() Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-03 10:26   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 05/18] monitor: Introduce monitor_fdset_*free Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-30 20:03   ` Peter Xu
2024-05-31 15:01     ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 06/18] monitor: Stop removing non-duplicated fds Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-30 21:05   ` Peter Xu
2024-05-31 15:25     ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-31 15:56       ` Peter Xu
2024-06-04 23:40       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2024-06-05 12:31         ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 07/18] monitor: Simplify fdset and fd removal Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-31 15:58   ` Peter Xu
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 08/18] monitor: Report errors from monitor_fdset_dup_fd_add Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-30 21:08   ` Peter Xu
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 09/18] io: Stop using qemu_open_old in channel-file Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-30 21:10   ` Peter Xu
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 10/18] migration: Add direct-io parameter Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-30 21:12   ` Peter Xu
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 11/18] migration/multifd: Add direct-io support Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-30 21:35   ` Peter Xu
2024-05-31 15:27     ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 12/18] tests/qtest/migration: Add tests for file migration with direct-io Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 13/18] monitor: fdset: Match against O_DIRECT Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-30 21:41   ` Peter Xu
2024-05-31 15:42     ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-31 15:58       ` Peter Xu
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 14/18] migration: Add documentation for fdset with multifd + file Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-04 20:46   ` Peter Xu
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 15/18] tests/qtest/migration: Add a test for mapped-ram with passing of fds Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-04 20:51   ` Peter Xu
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 16/18] io/channel-file: Add direct-io support Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-03 10:32   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 17/18] migration: Add direct-io helpers Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 18/18] migration/ram: Add direct-io support to precopy file migration Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-04 20:56   ` Peter Xu
2024-06-07 18:42     ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-07 20:39       ` Jim Fehlig
2024-06-10 16:09       ` Peter Xu
2024-06-10 17:45         ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-10 19:02           ` Peter Xu
2024-06-10 19:07             ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2024-06-10 20:12             ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-12 18:08               ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-12 18:15                 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-06-12 18:27                   ` Peter Xu
2024-06-12 18:44                     ` Fabiano Rosas

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