From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Fabiano Rosas <farosas@suse.de>
Cc: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, armbru@redhat.com,
Claudio Fontana <cfontana@suse.de>, Jim Fehlig <jfehlig@suse.com>,
Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>,
Laurent Vivier <lvivier@redhat.com>,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 18/18] migration/ram: Add direct-io support to precopy file migration
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2024 19:15:19 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zmnlt0jUx2o1MEgy@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ed92c9vh.fsf@suse.de>
On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 03:08:02PM -0300, Fabiano Rosas wrote:
> Fabiano Rosas <farosas@suse.de> writes:
>
> > Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com> writes:
> >
> >> On Mon, Jun 10, 2024 at 02:45:53PM -0300, Fabiano Rosas wrote:
> I looked into this and it's cumbersome:
>
> - We'd need to check migrate_direct_io() several times, once to get the
> second fd and during every IO to know to use the fd.
>
> - Even getting the second fd is not straight forward, we need to create
> a new ioc for it with qio_channel_new_path(). But QEMUFile is generic
> code, so we'd probably need to call this channel-file specific
> function from migration_channel_connect().
>
> - With the new ioc, do we put it in QEMUFile, or do we take the fd only?
> Or maybe an ioc with two fds? Or a new QIOChannelDirect? All options
> look bad to me.
>
> So I suggest we proceed proceed with the 1 multifd channel approach,
> passing 2 fds into QEMU just like we do for the n channels. Is that ok
> from libvirt's perspective? I assume libvirt users are mostly interested
> in _enabling_ parallelism with --parallel, instead of _avoiding_ it with
> the ommision of the option, so main thread + 1 channel should not be a
> bad thing.
IIUC, with the "fixed-ram" feature, the on-disk format of a saved VM
should end up the same whether we're using traditional migration, or
multifd migration. Use of multifd is simply an optimization that lets
us write RAM in parallel to the file, with direct-io further optimizing.
There's also a clear break with libvirt between the existing on-disk
format libvirt uses, and the new fixed-ram format. So we have no backwards
compatibilty concerns added from multifd, beyond what we already have to
figure out when deciding on use of 'fixed-ram'.
Thus I believe there is no downside to always using multifd for save
images with fixed-ram, even if we only want nchannels=1.
> Choosing to use 1 multifd channel now is also a gentler introduction for
> when we finally move all of the vmstate migration into multifd (I've
> been looking into this, but don't hold your breaths).
Yes, future proofing is a good idea.
With regards,
Daniel
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-06-12 18:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-05-23 19:05 [PATCH v2 00/18] migration/mapped-ram: Add direct-io support Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 01/18] migration: Fix file migration with fdset Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-24 10:51 ` Prasad Pandit
2024-05-24 12:30 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-25 6:16 ` Prasad Pandit
2024-05-30 16:11 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-31 14:58 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-03 10:20 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 02/18] tests/qtest/migration: Fix file migration offset check Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-30 16:14 ` Peter Xu
2024-06-03 10:21 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 03/18] tests/qtest/migration: Add a precopy file test with fdset Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-30 16:18 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 04/18] monitor: Drop monitor_fdset_dup_fd_add() Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-03 10:26 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 05/18] monitor: Introduce monitor_fdset_*free Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-30 20:03 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-31 15:01 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 06/18] monitor: Stop removing non-duplicated fds Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-30 21:05 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-31 15:25 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-31 15:56 ` Peter Xu
2024-06-04 23:40 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2024-06-05 12:31 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 07/18] monitor: Simplify fdset and fd removal Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-31 15:58 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 08/18] monitor: Report errors from monitor_fdset_dup_fd_add Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-30 21:08 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 09/18] io: Stop using qemu_open_old in channel-file Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-30 21:10 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 10/18] migration: Add direct-io parameter Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-30 21:12 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 11/18] migration/multifd: Add direct-io support Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-30 21:35 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-31 15:27 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 12/18] tests/qtest/migration: Add tests for file migration with direct-io Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 13/18] monitor: fdset: Match against O_DIRECT Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-30 21:41 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-31 15:42 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-31 15:58 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 14/18] migration: Add documentation for fdset with multifd + file Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-04 20:46 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 15/18] tests/qtest/migration: Add a test for mapped-ram with passing of fds Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-04 20:51 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 16/18] io/channel-file: Add direct-io support Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-03 10:32 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 17/18] migration: Add direct-io helpers Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 18/18] migration/ram: Add direct-io support to precopy file migration Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-04 20:56 ` Peter Xu
2024-06-07 18:42 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-07 20:39 ` Jim Fehlig
2024-06-10 16:09 ` Peter Xu
2024-06-10 17:45 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-10 19:02 ` Peter Xu
2024-06-10 19:07 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-06-10 20:12 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-12 18:08 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-12 18:15 ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2024-06-12 18:27 ` Peter Xu
2024-06-12 18:44 ` Fabiano Rosas
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