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From: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
To: Fabiano Rosas <farosas@suse.de>
Cc: Steven Sistare <steven.sistare@oracle.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Marcel Apfelbaum <marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com>,
	Eduardo Habkost <eduardo@habkost.net>,
	Philippe Mathieu-Daude <philmd@linaro.org>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V2 13/13] migration: cpr-transfer mode
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2024 14:47:17 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZwV-NRICDNTajTRq@x1n> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ed4qtpo1.fsf@suse.de>

On Tue, Oct 08, 2024 at 03:28:30PM -0300, Fabiano Rosas wrote:
> >>> +    /* Close cpr socket to tell source that we are listening */
> >>> +    cpr_state_close();
> >> 
> >> Would it be possible to use some explicit reply message to mark this?  
> >
> > In theory yes, but I fear that using a return channel with message parsing and
> > dispatch adds more code than it is worth.
> 
> I think this approach is fine for now, but I wonder whether we could
> reuse the current return path (RP) by starting it earlier and take
> benefit from it already having the message passing infrastructure in
> place. I'm actually looking ahead to the migration handshake thread[1],
> which could be thought to have some similarity with the early cpr
> channel. So having a generic channel in place early on to handle
> handshake, CPR, RP, etc. could be a good idea.

The current design relies on CPR stage happens before device realize()s, so
I assume migration channel (including RP) isn't easily applicable at as
early as this stage.

However I think dest qemu can directly write back to the cpr_uri channel
instead if we want and then follow a protocol simple enough (even though
it'll be separate from the migration stream protocol).

What worries me more (besides using HUP as of now..) is cpr_state_save() is
currently synchronous and can block the main iothread.  It means if cpr
destination is not properly setup, it can hang the main thread (including
e.g. QMP monitor) at qio_channel_socket_connect_sync().  Ideally we
shouldn't block the main thread.

If async-mode can be done, it might be even easier, e.g. if we do
cpr_state_save() in a thread, after qemu_put*() we can directly qemu_get*()
in the same context with the pairing return qemufile.

But maybe we can do it in two steps, merging HUP first.  Then when a better
protocol (plus async mode) ready, one can boost QEMU_CPR_FILE_VERSION.
I'll see how Steve wants to address it.

> 
> Anyway, I'm probing on this a bit so I can start drafting something. I
> got surprised that we don't even have the capability bits in the stream
> in a useful way (currently, configuration_validate_capabilities() does
> kind of nothing).
> 
> 1- https://wiki.qemu.org/ToDo/LiveMigration#Migration_handshake

Happy to know this. I was thinking whether I should work on this even
earlier, so if you're looking at that it'll be great.

The major pain to me is the channel establishment part where we now have
all kinds of channels, so we should really fix that sooner (e.g., we hope
to enable multifd + postcopy very soon, that requires multifd and preempt
channels appear in the same time).  It was reasonable the vfio/multifd
series tried to fix it.

-- 
Peter Xu



  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-08 18:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-30 19:40 [PATCH V2 00/13] Live update: cpr-transfer Steve Sistare
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 01/13] machine: alloc-anon option Steve Sistare
2024-10-03 16:14   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-04 10:14     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-04 12:33       ` Peter Xu
2024-10-04 12:54         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-04 13:24           ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 16:23             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-07 19:05               ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 15:36   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 19:30     ` Steven Sistare
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 02/13] migration: cpr-state Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 14:14   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 19:30     ` Steven Sistare
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 03/13] migration: save cpr mode Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 15:18   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 19:31     ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-07 20:10       ` Peter Xu
2024-10-08 15:57         ` Steven Sistare
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 04/13] migration: stop vm earlier for cpr Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 15:27   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 20:52     ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-08 15:35       ` Peter Xu
2024-10-08 19:13         ` Steven Sistare
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 05/13] physmem: preserve ram blocks " Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 15:49   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 16:28     ` Peter Xu
2024-10-08 15:17       ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-08 16:26         ` Peter Xu
2024-10-08 21:05           ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-08 21:32             ` Peter Xu
2024-10-31 20:32               ` Steven Sistare
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 06/13] hostmem-memfd: preserve " Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 15:52   ` Peter Xu
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 07/13] migration: SCM_RIGHTS for QEMUFile Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 16:06   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 16:35     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-10-07 18:12       ` Peter Xu
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 08/13] migration: VMSTATE_FD Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 16:36   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 19:31     ` Steven Sistare
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 09/13] migration: cpr-transfer save and load Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 16:47   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 19:31     ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-08 15:36       ` Peter Xu
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 10/13] migration: cpr-uri parameter Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 16:49   ` Peter Xu
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 11/13] migration: cpr-uri option Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 16:50   ` Peter Xu
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 12/13] migration: split qmp_migrate Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 19:18   ` Peter Xu
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 13/13] migration: cpr-transfer mode Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 19:44   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 20:39     ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-08 15:45       ` Peter Xu
2024-10-08 19:12         ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-08 19:38           ` Peter Xu
2024-10-08 18:28       ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-10-08 18:47         ` Peter Xu [this message]
2024-10-08 19:11           ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-10-08 19:33             ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-08 19:48             ` Peter Xu
2024-10-09 18:43               ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-09 19:06                 ` Peter Xu
2024-10-09 19:59                   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-09 20:18                     ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-09 20:57                       ` Peter Xu
2024-10-09 22:08                         ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-10-10 20:05                           ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-09 20:09                   ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-09 20:36                     ` Peter Xu
2024-10-10 20:06                       ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-10 21:23                         ` Peter Xu
2024-10-24 21:12                           ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-25 13:55                             ` Peter Xu
2024-10-25 15:04                               ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-08 19:29           ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-08 14:33 ` [PATCH V2 00/13] Live update: cpr-transfer Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2024-10-08 21:13   ` Steven Sistare

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