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From: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
To: Steven Sistare <steven.sistare@oracle.com>
Cc: Fabiano Rosas <farosas@suse.de>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Marcel Apfelbaum <marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com>,
	Eduardo Habkost <eduardo@habkost.net>,
	Philippe Mathieu-Daude <philmd@linaro.org>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V2 13/13] migration: cpr-transfer mode
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2024 15:06:53 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZwbUTXCxxl4heZYV@x1n> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8b92a6ee-19f7-4483-9766-6b849cc04017@oracle.com>

On Wed, Oct 09, 2024 at 02:43:44PM -0400, Steven Sistare wrote:
> On 10/8/2024 3:48 PM, Peter Xu wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 08, 2024 at 04:11:38PM -0300, Fabiano Rosas wrote:
> > > As of half an hour ago =) We could put a feature branch up and work
> > > together, if you have more concrete thoughts on how this would look like
> > > let me know.
> > 
> > [I'll hijack this thread with one more email, as this is not cpr-relevant]
> > 
> > I think I listed all the things I can think of in the wiki, so please go
> > ahead.
> > 
> > One trivial suggestion is we can start from the very simple, which is the
> > handshake itself, with a self-bootstrap protocol, probably feature-bit
> > based or whatever you prefer.  Then we set bit 0 saying "this QEMU knows
> > how to handshake".
> > 
> > Comparing to the rest requirement, IMHO we can make the channel
> > establishment the 1st feature, then it's already good for merging, having
> > feature bit 1 saying "this qemu understands named channel establishment".
> > 
> > Then we add new feature bits on top of the handshake feature, by adding
> > more feature bits.  Both QEMUs should first handshake on the feature bits
> > they support and enable only the subset that all support.
> > 
> > Or instead of bit, feature strings, etc. would all work which you
> > prefer. Just to say we don't need to impl all the ideas there, as some of
> > them might take more time (e.g. device tree check), and that list is
> > probably not complete anyway.
> 
> While writing a qtest for cpr-transfer, I discovered a problem that could be
> solved with an early migration handshake, prior to cpr_save_state / cpr_load_state.
> 
> There is currently no way to set migration caps on dest qemu before starting
> cpr-transfer, because dest qemu blocks in cpr_state_load before creating any
> devices or monitors. It is unblocked after the user sends the migrate command
> to source qemu, but then the migration starts and it is too late to set migration
> capabilities or parameters on the dest.
> 
> Are you OK with that restriction (for now, until a handshake is implemented)?
> If not, I have a problem.
> 
> I can hack the qtest to make it work with the restriction.

Hmm, the test case is one thing, but if it's a problem, then.. how in real
life one could set migration capabilities on dest qemu for cpr-transfer?

Now a similar question, and also what I overlooked previously, is how
cpr-transfer should support "-incoming defer".  We need that because that's
what Libvirt uses.. with an upcoming migrate_incoming QMP command.

-- 
Peter Xu



  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-09 19:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-30 19:40 [PATCH V2 00/13] Live update: cpr-transfer Steve Sistare
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 01/13] machine: alloc-anon option Steve Sistare
2024-10-03 16:14   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-04 10:14     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-04 12:33       ` Peter Xu
2024-10-04 12:54         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-04 13:24           ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 16:23             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-10-07 19:05               ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 15:36   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 19:30     ` Steven Sistare
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 02/13] migration: cpr-state Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 14:14   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 19:30     ` Steven Sistare
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 03/13] migration: save cpr mode Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 15:18   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 19:31     ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-07 20:10       ` Peter Xu
2024-10-08 15:57         ` Steven Sistare
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 04/13] migration: stop vm earlier for cpr Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 15:27   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 20:52     ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-08 15:35       ` Peter Xu
2024-10-08 19:13         ` Steven Sistare
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 05/13] physmem: preserve ram blocks " Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 15:49   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 16:28     ` Peter Xu
2024-10-08 15:17       ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-08 16:26         ` Peter Xu
2024-10-08 21:05           ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-08 21:32             ` Peter Xu
2024-10-31 20:32               ` Steven Sistare
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 06/13] hostmem-memfd: preserve " Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 15:52   ` Peter Xu
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 07/13] migration: SCM_RIGHTS for QEMUFile Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 16:06   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 16:35     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-10-07 18:12       ` Peter Xu
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 08/13] migration: VMSTATE_FD Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 16:36   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 19:31     ` Steven Sistare
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 09/13] migration: cpr-transfer save and load Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 16:47   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 19:31     ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-08 15:36       ` Peter Xu
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 10/13] migration: cpr-uri parameter Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 16:49   ` Peter Xu
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 11/13] migration: cpr-uri option Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 16:50   ` Peter Xu
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 12/13] migration: split qmp_migrate Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 19:18   ` Peter Xu
2024-09-30 19:40 ` [PATCH V2 13/13] migration: cpr-transfer mode Steve Sistare
2024-10-07 19:44   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-07 20:39     ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-08 15:45       ` Peter Xu
2024-10-08 19:12         ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-08 19:38           ` Peter Xu
2024-10-08 18:28       ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-10-08 18:47         ` Peter Xu
2024-10-08 19:11           ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-10-08 19:33             ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-08 19:48             ` Peter Xu
2024-10-09 18:43               ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-09 19:06                 ` Peter Xu [this message]
2024-10-09 19:59                   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-09 20:18                     ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-09 20:57                       ` Peter Xu
2024-10-09 22:08                         ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-10-10 20:05                           ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-09 20:09                   ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-09 20:36                     ` Peter Xu
2024-10-10 20:06                       ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-10 21:23                         ` Peter Xu
2024-10-24 21:12                           ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-25 13:55                             ` Peter Xu
2024-10-25 15:04                               ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-08 19:29           ` Steven Sistare
2024-10-08 14:33 ` [PATCH V2 00/13] Live update: cpr-transfer Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2024-10-08 21:13   ` Steven Sistare

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