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From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Fabiano Rosas <farosas@suse.de>,
	Juraj Marcin <jmarcin@redhat.com>,
	Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	Prasad Pandit <ppandit@redhat.com>,
	"Dr . David Alan Gilbert" <dave@treblig.org>,
	Julia Suvorova <jusual@redhat.com>,
	Jiang Jiacheng <jiangjiacheng@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] migration: Remove interface query-migrationthreads
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2024 11:18:06 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zwzv3gKV3UibdzTs@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20241011153417.516715-1-peterx@redhat.com>

On Fri, Oct 11, 2024 at 11:34:17AM -0400, Peter Xu wrote:
> This reverts two commits:
> 
> 671326201dac8fe91222ba0045709f04a8ec3af4
> 1b1f4ab69c41279a45ccd0d3178e83471e6e4ec1
> 
> Meanwhile it adds an entry to removed-features.rst for the
> query-migrationthreads QMP command.
> 
> This patch originates from another patchset [1] that wanted to cleanup the
> interface and add corresponding HMP command, as lots of things are missing
> in the query report; so far it only reports the main thread and multifd
> sender threads; all the rest migration threads are not reported, including
> multifd recv threads.
> 
> As pointed out by Dan in the follow up discussions [1], the API is designed
> in an awkward way where CPU pinning may not cover the whole lifecycle of
> even the thread being reported.  When asked, we also didn't get chance to
> hear from the developer who introduced this feature to explain how this API
> can be properly used.
> 
> OTOH, this feature from debugging POV isn't very helpful either, as all
> these information can be easily obtained by GDB.  Esepcially, if with
> "-name $VM,debug-threads=on" we do already have names for each migration
> threads (which covers more than multifd sender threads).
> 
> So it looks like the API isn't helpful in any form as of now, besides it
> only adds maintenance burden to migration code, even if not much.
> 
> Considering that so far there's totally no justification on how to use this
> interface correctly, let's remove this interface instead of cleaning it up.
> 
> In this special case, we even go beyond normal deprecation procedure,
> because a deprecation process would only make sense when there are existing
> users. In this specific case, we expect zero serious users with this API.

We have no way of knowing whether there are existing users of this, or
any other feature in QEMU. This is why we have a formal deprecation
period, rather than immediately deleting existing features.

Yes, there are plenty of reasons why this feature is sub-optimal, but
it is not broken to the extent that it is *impossible* for people to
be using it.

IOW, I don't see that there's anything special here to justify bypassing
our deprecation process here.


With regards,
Daniel
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-10-14 10:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-11 15:34 [PATCH] migration: Remove interface query-migrationthreads Peter Xu
2024-10-11 17:27 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-10-11 17:47 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2024-10-15 15:31   ` Peter Xu
2024-10-14 10:18 ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2024-10-14 14:22   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-10-14 14:44     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-10-15 14:19       ` Peter Xu
2024-10-15 14:30         ` Daniel P. Berrangé

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