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From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Eric Auger <eric.auger@redhat.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC 18/21] arm/cpu: Introduce a customizable kvm host cpu model
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2024 14:23:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zxub7ol4p8P_sWF8@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cb6c8f62-c5dc-416d-865f-fbdf96164dac@redhat.com>

On Fri, Oct 25, 2024 at 03:18:25PM +0200, Eric Auger wrote:
> Hi Daniel,
> 
> On 10/25/24 15:06, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 25, 2024 at 12:17:37PM +0200, Eric Auger wrote:
> >> This new cpu model takes by default the host cpu values.
> >> However it exposes uint64 SYSREG properties for writable ID reg
> >> fields exposed by the host kernel. Properties are named
> >> SYSREG_<REG>_<FIELD> with REG and FIELD being those used
> >> in linux arch/arm64/tools/sysreg. This done by matching the
> >> writable fields retrieved from the host kernel against the
> >> generated description of sysregs.
> >>
> >> An example of invocation is:
> >> -cpu custom,SYSREG_ID_AA64ISAR0_EL1_DP=0x0
> >> which sets DP field of ID_AA64ISAR0_EL1 to 0.
> > "SYSREG_" feels kinda redundant to repeat on every single
> > feature. 
> 
> I do agree. To be honest this was mostly driven my implementation need
> for cpu model expansion. Given the high number of props which are
> getting exposed, I iterate on all props and having a prefix let me
> return only those SYSREG props. Most probably we can get rid of the
> prefix by using some generated code as well.
> >
> > Also, is this naming convention really the same one that users
> > will see when they look at /proc/cpuinfo to view features ? It
> No it is not. I do agree that the custom cpu model is very low level. It
> is very well suited to test all series turning ID regs as writable but
> this would require an extra layer that adapts /proc/cpuinfo feature
> level to this regid/field abstraction.
> 
> In /cpu/proc you will see somethink like:
>  Features    : fp asimd evtstrm aes pmull sha1 sha2 crc32 atomics fphp
> asimdhp cpuid asimdrdm lrcpc dcpop asimddp

Right, IMHO, this is the terminology that QEMU must use in user
facing APIs.

On x86 we have a conversion tables for named features to register
bits

  https://gitlab.com/qemu-project/qemu/-/blob/master/target/i386/cpu.c#L914

and libvirt does similar

  https://gitlab.com/libvirt/libvirt/-/blob/master/src/cpu_map/x86_features.xml

Yep, it is more work, but it is also much better for humans IMHO.

> > feels pretty low level to me ?  Naming after the registers &
> > fields, would be like configuring x86 CPU features by asking
> > for "SYSREG_EAX_1_ECX_20" instead of saying "vmx" which is the
> > human friendly name.
> agreed.

> >> At the moment, the custom model does not support legacy options
> >> of the host cpu model. We need to understand what we do with those
> >> latter (SVE, ...). This means that related KVM ioctl are
> >> not called yet.
> > It will be pretty painful to have to use different feature
> > terminology for different CPU models. Everything in libvirt
> > assuming feature terminology varies per-arch, not per-CPU
> > model.
> Actually as far as I understand those regids/fields would fit all kind
> of aarch64 Cortex-A CPUs. So they wouldn't vary per-CPU (I mean their
> terminology. Their availability will).

What I mean is can we define  named models for various different
vendor's Cortex-A silicon and just use that without needing to
toggle features, except in rare cases.

With regards,
Daniel
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  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-25 13:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-25 10:17 [RFC 00/21] kvm/arm: Introduce a customizable aarch64 KVM host model Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 01/21] kvm: kvm_get_writable_id_regs Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 02/21] arm/cpu: Add sysreg definitions in cpu-sysegs.h Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 03/21] arm/cpu: Store aa64isar0 into the idregs arrays Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 04/21] arm/cpu: Store aa64isar1/2 into the idregs array Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 05/21] arm/cpu: Store aa64drf0/1 " Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 06/21] arm/cpu: Store aa64mmfr0-3 " Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 07/21] arm/cpu: Store aa64drf0/1 " Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 08/21] arm/cpu: Store aa64smfr0 " Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 09/21] arm/cpu: Store id_isar0-7 " Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 10/21] arm/cpu: Store id_mfr0/1 " Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 11/21] arm/cpu: Store id_dfr0/1 " Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 12/21] arm/cpu: Store id_mmfr0-5 " Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 13/21] arm/cpu: Add infra to handle generated ID register definitions Eric Auger
2024-10-25 12:55   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 14/21] arm/cpu: Add sysreg generation scripts Eric Auger
2024-10-25 17:05   ` Marc Zyngier
2024-11-04 13:33     ` Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 15/21] arm/cpu: Add generated files Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 16/21] arm/kvm: Allow reading all the writable ID registers Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 17/21] arm/kvm: write back modified ID regs to KVM Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 18/21] arm/cpu: Introduce a customizable kvm host cpu model Eric Auger
2024-10-25 13:06   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-10-25 13:18     ` Eric Auger
2024-10-25 13:23       ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2024-10-28 16:00         ` Cornelia Huck
2024-10-28 16:15           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-10-28 16:16         ` Peter Maydell
2024-10-28 16:25           ` Cornelia Huck
2024-10-28 16:35           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-10-28 16:48             ` Peter Maydell
2024-10-28 16:56               ` Oliver Upton
2024-10-30 16:15                 ` Cornelia Huck
2024-10-30 16:27                   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-11-04 17:09                 ` Eric Auger
2024-11-04 17:16                   ` Peter Maydell
2024-11-04 18:15                     ` Eric Auger
2024-10-28 17:04               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-11-04 14:27                 ` Eric Auger
2024-11-11 14:29                   ` Cornelia Huck
2024-11-12 16:30                     ` Cornelia Huck
2024-11-12 18:28                       ` Eric Auger
2024-11-29 15:10                         ` Cornelia Huck
2024-11-29 15:42                           ` Peter Maydell
2024-11-29 15:51                             ` Cornelia Huck
2024-11-14 15:44                     ` Peter Maydell
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 19/21] virt: Allow custom vcpu model in arm virt Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 20/21] arm-qmp-cmds: introspection for custom model Eric Auger
2024-10-25 10:17 ` [RFC 21/21] arm/cpu-features: Document custom vcpu model Eric Auger
2024-10-25 13:13   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-10-25 13:28     ` Eric Auger
2024-10-25 13:31       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-10-28 16:05         ` Cornelia Huck
2024-10-28 16:09           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-10-28 16:29             ` Cornelia Huck
2024-10-31 12:24               ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2024-10-31 12:59                 ` Peter Maydell
2024-11-04 14:45             ` Eric Auger
2024-11-04 14:55               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-11-04 15:10                 ` Cornelia Huck
2024-11-04 15:24                   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-11-04 15:48                     ` Cornelia Huck
2024-10-28 21:17   ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2024-11-04 15:34     ` Eric Auger
2024-11-04 16:30       ` Peter Maydell
2024-11-04 17:07         ` Eric Auger
2024-11-04 18:29         ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2024-10-25 12:49 ` [RFC 00/21] kvm/arm: Introduce a customizable aarch64 KVM host model Cornelia Huck
2024-10-25 14:51 ` Kashyap Chamarthy
2024-10-28 16:20   ` Cornelia Huck
2024-10-28 16:44     ` Peter Maydell
2024-11-04 15:52   ` Eric Auger

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