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From: Christian Horn <chorn@fluxcoil.net>
To: Igor Mammedov <imammedo@redhat.com>
Cc: "Anthony Harivel" <aharivel@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	pbonzini@redhat.com, mtosatti@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	vchundur@redhat.com, rjarry@redhat.com, nathans@redhat.com,
	kenj@kenj.id.au, sunyanan.choochotkaew1@ibm.com,
	vibhu.sharma2929@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 0/3] Add support for the RAPL MSRs series
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2024 08:11:14 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZynFEr2vSeApNGG-@fluxcoil.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20241104104900.1a2a0193@imammedo.users.ipa.redhat.com>

Hi all,

some thoughts:

- I vote for making the metrics as much as possible in the guest available
  as on the host.  Allows cascading, and having in-guest-monitoring working
  like on bare metal.
- As result, really just plain vCPU consumption would be made available
  in the guest as rapl-core.  If the host can at some point understand
  guests GPU, or I/O consumption, better hand that in separately.
- Having in mind that we will also need this for other architectures, 
  at least aarch64.  RAPL comes from x86, rather than extending that
  to also do I/O or such, we might aim at an interface which will also
  work for aarch64.
- Bigger scope will be to look at the consumption of multiple systems, for
  that we will need to move the metrics to network eventually, changing
  from MSR or such mechanisms.
- For reading the metrics in the guest, I was tempted to suggest PCP with
  pmda-denki to cover RAPL, but it's right now just reading /sysfs, not
  MSR's.  pmda-lmsensors for further sensors offered on various systems,
  and pmda-openmetrics for covering anything appearing somewhere on
  /sysfs as a number.
 

> > Not that I disagree with all you said, to the contrary, but the amount 
> > of change is quite significant and it would be very annoying if results 
> > of this work doesn't make upstream because of Y & X.
> 
> split frontend/backend design is established pattern in QEMU, so I'm not
> suggesting anything revolutionary (probability that anyone would object
> to it is very low).
> 
> sending an RFC can serve as a starting point for discussion.  

+1,
Christian


  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-05 13:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-22 15:34 [PATCH v6 0/3] Add support for the RAPL MSRs series Anthony Harivel
2024-05-22 15:34 ` [PATCH v6 1/3] qio: add support for SO_PEERCRED for socket channel Anthony Harivel
2024-05-22 15:34 ` [PATCH v6 2/3] tools: build qemu-vmsr-helper Anthony Harivel
2024-05-22 15:34 ` [PATCH v6 3/3] Add support for RAPL MSRs in KVM/Qemu Anthony Harivel
2024-10-16 12:17   ` Igor Mammedov
2024-10-16 13:04     ` Anthony Harivel
2024-06-26 14:34 ` [PATCH v6 0/3] Add support for the RAPL MSRs series Anthony Harivel
2024-10-16 11:52 ` Igor Mammedov
2024-10-16 12:56   ` Anthony Harivel
2024-10-18 12:25     ` Igor Mammedov
2024-10-18 12:59       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-10-22 12:46         ` Igor Mammedov
2024-10-22 13:15           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-10-22 14:16             ` Anthony Harivel
2024-10-22 14:29               ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-10-22 14:40                 ` Anthony Harivel
2024-11-01 15:09               ` Igor Mammedov
2024-11-02  9:32                 ` Anthony Harivel
2024-11-04  9:49                   ` Igor Mammedov
2024-11-05  7:11                     ` Christian Horn [this message]
2024-11-05 12:19                       ` Igor Mammedov
2024-11-06  3:14                         ` Christian Horn
2024-10-22 15:35             ` Igor Mammedov
2024-10-22 13:49       ` Anthony Harivel
2024-11-04  9:40         ` Igor Mammedov

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