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From: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
To: Bin Meng <bmeng.cn@gmail.com>
Cc: "Peter Maydell" <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	"Dmitry Fleytman" <dmitry.fleytman@gmail.com>,
	"Bin Meng" <bin.meng@windriver.com>,
	"Richard Henderson" <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
	"QEMU Developers" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 02/10] net: Pad short frames to minimum size before send from SLiRP/TAP
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 16:57:25 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a26ef919-2e00-ae5b-c016-83e811ea5cdd@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEUhbmU-KDUBADcX+bZHjH0thhddTSQ=Qtb56GztdRzPKE4Xhw@mail.gmail.com>


On 2021/3/9 4:35 下午, Bin Meng wrote:
> Hi Jason,
>
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 4:23 PM Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 2021/3/8 6:22 下午, Peter Maydell wrote:
>>> On Mon, 8 Mar 2021 at 03:48, Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>> Do we need to care about other type of networking backends? E.g socket.
>>>>
>>>> Or at least we should keep the padding logic if we can't audit all of
>>>> the backends.
>>> I think the key thing we need to do here is make a decision
>>> and be clear about what we're doing. There are three options
>>> I can see:
>>>
>>> (1) we say that the net API demands that backends pad
>>> packets they emit to the minimum ethernet frame length
>>> unless they specifically are intending to emit a short frame,
>>> and we fix any backends that don't comply (or equivalently,
>>> add support in the core code for a backend to mark itself
>>> as "I don't pad; please do it for me").
>>>
>>> (2) we say that the networking subsystem doesn't support
>>> short packets, and just have the common code always enforce
>>> padding short frames to the minimum length somewhere between
>>> when it receives a packet from a backend and passes it to
>>> a NIC model.
>>>
>>> (3) we say that it's the job of the NIC models to pad
>>> short frames as they see them coming in.
>>>
>>> I think (3) is pretty clearly the worst of these, since it
>>> requires every NIC model to handle it; it has no advantages
>>> over (2) that I can see. I don't have a strong take on whether
>>> we'd rather have (1) or (2): it's a tradeoff between whether
>>> we support modelling of short frames vs simplicity of code.
>>> I'd just like us to be clear about what point or points in
>>> the code have the responsibility for padding short frames.
>>
>> I'm not sure how much value we can gain from (1). So (2) looks better to me.
>>
>> Bin or Philippe, want to send a new version?
>>
> I think this series does what (2) asks for. Or am I missing anything?


It only did the padding for user/TAP.

Thanks


>
> Regards,
> Bin
>



  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-09  8:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-03 19:11 [RFC PATCH v3 00/10] net: Handle short frames for SLiRP/TAP interfaces Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-03-03 19:11 ` [RFC PATCH v3 01/10] net: Use 'struct iovec' in qemu_send_packet_async_with_flags() Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-03-03 19:11 ` [RFC PATCH v3 02/10] net: Pad short frames to minimum size before send from SLiRP/TAP Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-03-08  3:48   ` Jason Wang
2021-03-08  4:12     ` Bin Meng
2021-03-08 10:22     ` Peter Maydell
2021-03-09  8:23       ` Jason Wang
2021-03-09  8:35         ` Bin Meng
2021-03-09  8:57           ` Jason Wang [this message]
2021-03-09  9:00             ` Bin Meng
2021-03-09  9:01               ` Bin Meng
2021-03-09 10:13                 ` Peter Maydell
2021-03-09 10:17                   ` Bin Meng
2021-03-09 12:30                   ` Yan Vugenfirer
2021-03-09 12:33                     ` Bin Meng
2021-03-12  6:25                     ` Jason Wang
2021-03-11  3:01                   ` Jason Wang
2021-03-11  3:12                     ` Bin Meng
2021-03-11  3:33                       ` Jason Wang
2021-03-11  7:35                         ` Bin Meng
2021-03-11  9:43                     ` Peter Maydell
2021-03-11  9:58                       ` Bin Meng
2021-03-11 10:22                         ` Peter Maydell
2021-03-11 10:27                           ` Bin Meng
2021-03-12  6:22                             ` Jason Wang
2021-03-12  6:28                               ` Bin Meng
2021-03-12  6:50                                 ` Jason Wang
2021-03-12  6:53                                   ` Bin Meng
2021-03-12  7:02                                     ` Jason Wang
2021-03-03 19:11 ` [RFC PATCH v3 03/10] hw/net: e1000: Remove the logic of padding short frames in the receive path Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-03-03 19:11 ` [RFC PATCH v3 04/10] hw/net: vmxnet3: " Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-03-03 19:12 ` [RFC PATCH v3 05/10] hw/net: i82596: " Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-03-03 19:12 ` [RFC PATCH v3 06/10] hw/net: ne2000: " Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-03-03 19:12 ` [RFC PATCH v3 07/10] hw/net: pcnet: " Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-03-03 19:12 ` [RFC PATCH v3 08/10] hw/net: rtl8139: " Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-03-03 19:12 ` [RFC PATCH v3 09/10] hw/net: sungem: " Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-03-03 19:12 ` [RFC PATCH v3 10/10] hw/net: sunhme: " Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2021-03-08  1:51 ` [RFC PATCH v3 00/10] net: Handle short frames for SLiRP/TAP interfaces Bin Meng

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