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From: Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>
To: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-block@nongnu.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	Alberto Garcia <berto@igalia.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 03/26] block: Add BDS.backing_overridden
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 15:55:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a28d1832-cdf2-3413-a0f3-a885dfaa2375@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180222133956.GG4147@localhost.localdomain>

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On 2018-02-22 14:39, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> Am 05.02.2018 um 16:18 hat Max Reitz geschrieben:
>> If the backing file is overridden, this most probably does change the
>> guest-visible data of a BDS. Therefore, we will need to consider this in
>> bdrv_refresh_filename().
>>
>> Adding a new field to the BDS is not nice, but it is very simple and
>> exactly keeps track of whether the backing file has been overridden.
> 
> ...as long as we manage to actually keep it up to date all the time.
> 
> First of all, what I'm missing here (or in fact in the comment in the
> code) is a definition what "overridden" really means. "specified by the
> user" is kind of vague: You consider the backing file relationship for
> snapshot=on as user specified, even though the user wasn't explicit
> about this. On the other hand, creating a live snapshot results in a
> node that isn't user specified.
> 
> Isn't the real question to ask whether the default backing file (taken
> from the image header) would result in the same tree? The answer to this
> changes after more operations, like qmp_change_backing_file().

With you so far.

> Considering that there are so many ways to change the answer, I think
> the simplest reliable option isn't a new BDS field that needs to updated
> everywhere, but looking at the current value of bs->options and
> bs->backing_file and see if they match.

I don't see how that is simple.  First, bs->options does not necessarily
reflect the "current options", those would be bs->full_open_options.
And for generating that, we need a way to determine whether the backing
file has been overridden or not, so whether we need to put the backing
options into it or whether we do not.

(I am right that bs->backing_file is what the image header says, right?
So we need to compare it against something that reflects the runtime state.)

What I could see would be comparing bs->backing_file to
bs->backing->bs->filename.  But this sounds very hacky to me.

One thing the comes to mind is that it can break whenever
bdrv_refresh_filename() is clever.  So you specify
'json:{"driver":"null-co"}' in the image header, and
bdrv_refresh_filename() optimizes that to "null-co://".  Now the
filenames differ even though it's still the original filename.  So this
wouldn't work very well either.

Max

>> This commit adds a FIXME which will be remedied by a follow-up commit.
>> Until then, the respective piece of code will not result in any behavior
>> that is worse than what we currently have.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>
>> Reviewed-by: Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>
>> Reviewed-by: Alberto Garcia <berto@igalia.com>
> 
> Kevin
> 



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  reply	other threads:[~2018-02-22 14:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-02-05 15:18 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 00/26] block: Fix some filename generation issues Max Reitz
2018-02-05 15:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 01/26] block/mirror: Small absolute-paths simplification Max Reitz
2018-02-22 12:27   ` Kevin Wolf
2018-02-22 14:43     ` Max Reitz
2018-02-05 15:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 02/26] block: Use children list in bdrv_refresh_filename Max Reitz
2018-02-22 12:30   ` Kevin Wolf
2018-02-05 15:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 03/26] block: Add BDS.backing_overridden Max Reitz
2018-02-22 13:39   ` Kevin Wolf
2018-02-22 14:55     ` Max Reitz [this message]
2018-02-22 15:12       ` Kevin Wolf
2018-02-22 15:17         ` Max Reitz
2018-02-22 16:21           ` Kevin Wolf
2018-02-22 17:47             ` Max Reitz
2018-06-26 17:34               ` Max Reitz
2018-06-26 18:19                 ` Max Reitz
2018-02-05 15:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 04/26] iotests: Drop explicit base blockdev in 191 Max Reitz
2018-02-06 13:56   ` Alberto Garcia
2018-02-22 14:34   ` Kevin Wolf
2018-02-22 15:06     ` Max Reitz
2018-02-05 15:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 05/26] block: Respect backing bs in bdrv_refresh_filename Max Reitz
2018-02-06 14:00   ` Alberto Garcia
2018-02-05 15:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 06/26] block: Make path_combine() return the path Max Reitz
2018-02-22 14:57   ` Kevin Wolf
2018-02-05 15:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 07/26] block: bdrv_get_full_backing_filename_from_...'s ret. val Max Reitz
2018-02-05 15:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 08/26] block: bdrv_get_full_backing_filename's " Max Reitz
2018-02-05 15:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 09/26] block: Add bdrv_make_absolute_filename() Max Reitz
2018-02-05 15:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 10/26] block: Fix bdrv_find_backing_image() Max Reitz
2018-02-05 15:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 11/26] block: Add bdrv_dirname() Max Reitz
2018-02-05 15:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 12/26] blkverify: Make bdrv_dirname() return NULL Max Reitz
2018-02-05 15:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 13/26] quorum: " Max Reitz
2018-02-05 15:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 14/26] block/nbd: " Max Reitz
2018-02-05 15:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 15/26] block/nfs: Implement bdrv_dirname() Max Reitz
2018-02-05 15:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 16/26] block: Use bdrv_dirname() for relative filenames Max Reitz
2018-02-05 15:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 17/26] iotests: Add quorum case to test 110 Max Reitz
2018-02-05 15:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 18/26] block: Add sgfnt_runtime_opts to BlockDriver Max Reitz
2018-02-06 15:23   ` Alberto Garcia
2018-02-22 15:19     ` Max Reitz
2018-02-22 15:30       ` Alberto Garcia
2018-02-06 19:43   ` Eric Blake
2018-02-20 14:51     ` Max Reitz
2018-02-20 15:15       ` Eric Blake
2018-02-05 15:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 19/26] block: Add BlockDriver.bdrv_gather_child_options Max Reitz
2018-02-05 15:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 20/26] block: Generically refresh runtime options Max Reitz
2018-02-06 14:03   ` Alberto Garcia
2018-02-05 15:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 21/26] block: Purify .bdrv_refresh_filename() Max Reitz
2018-02-06 14:50   ` Alberto Garcia
2018-02-05 15:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 22/26] block: Do not copy exact_filename from format file Max Reitz
2018-02-05 15:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 23/26] block: Fix FIXME from "Add BDS.backing_overridden" Max Reitz
2018-02-05 15:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 24/26] block/curl: Harmonize option defaults Max Reitz
2018-02-06 14:05   ` Alberto Garcia
2018-02-05 15:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 25/26] block/curl: Implement bdrv_refresh_filename() Max Reitz
2018-02-06 14:07   ` Alberto Garcia
2018-02-05 15:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v8 26/26] block/null: Generate filename even with latency-ns Max Reitz

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