From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Cc: Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy <vsementsov@yandex-team.ru>,
mst@redhat.com, farosas@suse.de, raphael@enfabrica.net,
sgarzare@redhat.com, marcandre.lureau@redhat.com,
pbonzini@redhat.com, kwolf@redhat.com, hreitz@redhat.com,
eblake@redhat.com, armbru@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
qemu-block@nongnu.org, steven.sistare@oracle.com,
den-plotnikov@yandex-team.ru
Subject: Re: [PATCH 26/33] io/channel-socket: introduce qio_channel_socket_keep_nonblock()
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2025 15:11:51 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aKcpJ7Ool4AwhCSo@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aKcjAIVheXDJpWgV@x1.local>
On Thu, Aug 21, 2025 at 09:45:36AM -0400, Peter Xu wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 21, 2025 at 03:07:57PM +0300, Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy wrote:
> > What I dislike in the way, when we reset to blocking always, and set
> > non-blocking again where needed:
> >
> > 1. Extra fcntl calls for nothing (I think actually, in most cases, for
> > fds passed through migration stream(s) we'll want to keep fd as is)
> >
> > 2. When we reset to blocking on target, it's visible on source and may
> > break things.
> >
> > In these series it's probably doesn't really matter, as at the time when
> > we get the descriptor on target, it should not be used anymore on source.
> >
> > But for example, in CPR-transfer, where descriptors are passed in the
> > preliminary stage, and source is running and use the descriptors, we
> > shouldn't change the non-blocking status of fd on target. Probably,
> > CPR-transfer for now only works with fds which are blpcking, so we don't
> > have a problem.
> >
> > So, I think, that better default is preserve state of the flag for fds
> > passed through migration stream. And backends may modify it if needed (I
> > think, in most cases - they will not need).
>
> I agree having that as a default iochannel behavior is questionable.
>
> If it was defined for any fd-passing protocols making sure nonblocking
> status is predictable (in this case, fds will be always blocking), IMHO it
> should be done in the protocol layer either constantly setting or clearing
> NONBLOCK flag before sending the fds, rather than having it silently
> processed in iochannel internals.
We explicitly did not want to rely on the senders to do this, as the
senders generally does not know what receiving QEMU wants to do with
the FDs.
Clearing the non-blocking flag was chosen to make the default state of
passed-in FDs, be identical to the default state of FDs that QEMU opens
itself. This removes the possibility of bugs we've seen in the past,
where code assumed an FD's blocking flag was in its default state you
get from 'socket()' and then broke when receiving a pre-opened FD
over QEMU in a different state. Basically anything using SocketAddress
should be getting an FD in the same state whether opened by QEMU or
passed in.
> Do we know how many existing users are relying such behavior? I wonder if
> we could still push this operation to the protocols that will need it, then
> we can avoid this slightly awkward iochannel feature flag, because the
> iochannel user will simply always have full control.
Primarily this is relevant to the monitor QMP/HMP, which in turns
makes it is relevant to UNIX chardevs. There are a number of other
areas in QEMU calling qio_channel_readv_full() with a non-NULL fds
argument though.
With regards,
Daniel
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2025-08-13 16:48 [PATCH 00/33] vhost-user-blk: live-backend local migration Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 01/33] vhost: introduce vhost_ops->vhost_set_vring_enable_supported method Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 18:56 ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-10-09 19:25 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 02/33] vhost: drop backend_features field Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-09-12 14:39 ` Markus Armbruster
2025-10-09 18:57 ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 03/33] vhost-user: introduce vhost_user_has_prot() helper Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 18:57 ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 04/33] vhost: move protocol_features to vhost_user Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 18:57 ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-10-09 19:35 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:45 ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 05/33] vhost-user-gpu: drop code duplication Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-18 6:54 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-10-09 18:58 ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 06/33] vhost: make vhost_dev.features private Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 18:58 ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-10-09 19:40 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 07/33] virtio: move common part of _set_guest_notifier to generic code Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-14 4:53 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-08-14 11:15 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 08/33] virtio: drop *_set_guest_notifier_fd_handler() helpers Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 09/33] vhost-user: keep QIOChannelSocket for backend channel Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 18:58 ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 10/33] vhost: vhost_virtqueue_start(): fix failure path Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:00 ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 11/33] vhost: make vhost_memory_unmap() null-safe Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:00 ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-10-09 20:00 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-11 19:10 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 12/33] vhost: simplify calls to vhost_memory_unmap() Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:00 ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 13/33] vhost: move vrings mapping to the top of vhost_virtqueue_start() Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:01 ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 14/33] vhost: vhost_virtqueue_start(): drop extra local variables Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:02 ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 15/33] vhost: final refactoring of vhost vrings map/unmap Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:02 ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 16/33] vhost: simplify vhost_dev_init() error-path Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:04 ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 17/33] vhost: move busyloop timeout initialization to vhost_virtqueue_init() Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:04 ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 18/33] vhost: introduce check_memslots() helper Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:06 ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 19/33] vhost: vhost_dev_init(): drop extra features variable Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:06 ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-10-09 20:15 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 20/33] hw/virtio/virtio-bus: refactor virtio_bus_set_host_notifier() Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-14 6:00 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-10-09 19:07 ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 21/33] vhost-user: make trace events more readable Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-14 5:59 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-10-09 19:07 ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 22/33] vhost-user-blk: add some useful trace-points Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-14 4:58 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-08-14 11:14 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:07 ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-10-09 20:19 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 23/33] vhost: " Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:08 ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-10-09 20:20 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 24/33] chardev-add: support local migration Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-09-12 14:56 ` Markus Armbruster
2025-09-12 15:04 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-09-12 15:24 ` Steven Sistare
2025-09-15 13:28 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 25/33] virtio: introduce .skip_vhost_migration_log() handler Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:08 ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 26/33] io/channel-socket: introduce qio_channel_socket_keep_nonblock() Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-20 13:27 ` Peter Xu
2025-08-20 13:43 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-08-20 14:37 ` Peter Xu
2025-08-20 14:42 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-08-21 12:07 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-21 13:45 ` Peter Xu
2025-08-21 14:11 ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2025-08-20 13:37 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-08-21 12:08 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 27/33] migration/socket: keep fds non-block Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-20 13:30 ` Peter Xu
2025-08-21 12:15 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-21 13:49 ` Peter Xu
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 28/33] vhost: introduce backend migration Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:09 ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-10-09 20:51 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 29/33] vhost-user: support " Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:09 ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-10-09 20:54 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 30/33] virtio: support vhost " Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:09 ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-10-09 20:59 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 31/33] vhost-user-blk: " Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:09 ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-10-09 21:14 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 23:43 ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-10-10 6:27 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-13 21:50 ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-10-14 11:59 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 32/33] test/functional: exec_command_and_wait_for_pattern: add vm arg Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-14 5:01 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-08-18 6:55 ` Thomas Huth
2025-08-13 16:48 ` [PATCH 33/33] tests/functional: add test_x86_64_vhost_user_blk_fd_migration.py Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 19:16 ` [PATCH 00/33] vhost-user-blk: live-backend local migration Raphael Norwitz
2025-10-09 22:43 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-09 23:28 ` Raphael Norwitz
2025-10-10 8:47 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-10-13 21:41 ` Raphael Norwitz
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