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From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, qemu-block@nongnu.org,
	"Hanna Reitz" <hreitz@redhat.com>,
	"Kevin Wolf" <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	"Marc-André Lureau" <marcandre.lureau@redhat.com>,
	"Christian Schoenebeck" <qemu_oss@crudebyte.com>,
	"Richard Henderson" <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
	"Manos Pitsidianakis" <manos.pitsidianakis@linaro.org>,
	"Stefan Weil" <sw@weilnetz.de>,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>,
	"Gerd Hoffmann" <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dave@treblig.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 02/20] monitor: initialize global data from a constructor
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2025 16:31:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aMrUNYrYeDB_sagn@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <871po541h1.fsf@pond.sub.org>

On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 04:07:06PM +0200, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@redhat.com> writes:
> 
> > Some monitor functions, most notably, monitor_cur() rely on global
> > data being initialized by 'monitor_init_globals()'. The latter is
> > called relatively late in startup. If code triggers error_report()
> > before monitor_init_globals() is called, QEMU will abort when
> > accessing the uninitialized monitor mutex.
> >
> > The critical monitor global data must be initialized from a
> > constructor function, to improve the guarantee that it is done
> > before any possible calls to monitor_cur(). Not only that, but
> > the constructor must be marked to run before the default
> > constructor in case any of them trigger error reporting.
> 
> Is error reporting from constructors a good idea?  I feel they're best
> used for simple initializations only.

When you're down in the weeds on a given piece of code it might
not occurr that it could be used in a constructor.

The biggest usage is QOM type registration, which we've obviously
been careful (lucky) enough to keep safe.

The other common use if initializing global mutexes.

I rather wish our mutex APIs supported a static initializer
like you get with pthreads and/or glib mutexes. That would
have avoided this ordernig problem.

> 
> Do we actually do it?

Probably not, but I can't be that confident as I have not auditted
all constructors.

I accidentally created a problem myself by putting an error_report
call into the rcu constructor to debug something never realized
that would result in pain.

And then I put error_report into the RCU thread itself and thus
discovered that was running concurrently with other constructors.

> > Note in particular that the RCU constructor will spawn a background
> > thread so we might even have non-constructor QEMU code running
> > concurrently with other constructors.
> 
> Ugh!

Indeed, that was my thought when discovernig this :-(

> 
> Arguably
> 
>   Fixes: e69ee454b5f9 (monitor: Make current monitor a per-coroutine property)
> 
> I never liked the @coroutine_mon hash table (which is what broke early
> monitor_cur()), but accepted it for want of better ideas.

I spent a little time wondering if we could replace coroutine_mon with
a "__thread Monitor cur' and then update that in monitor_set_cur, but
I couldn't convince myself it would be entirely safe. So for sake of
getting the series done I took this approach and left the current
monitor stuff for another day.

> 
> > Reviewed-by: Richard Henderson <richard.henderson@linaro.org>
> > Reviewed-by: Dr. David Alan Gilbert <dave@treblig.org>
> > Signed-off-by: Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@redhat.com>
> 

With regards,
Daniel
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  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-17 15:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-10 18:03 [PATCH v3 00/20] util: sync error_report & qemu_log output more closely Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-10 18:03 ` [PATCH v3 01/20] include: define constant for early constructor priority Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-10 18:03 ` [PATCH v3 02/20] monitor: initialize global data from a constructor Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-17 14:07   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-09-17 15:31     ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2025-09-18  6:30       ` Markus Armbruster
2025-09-10 18:03 ` [PATCH v3 03/20] system: unconditionally enable thread naming Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-11 12:18   ` Ján Tomko
2025-09-19  8:20   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-09-19 13:32     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-10 18:03 ` [PATCH v3 04/20] util: expose qemu_thread_set_name Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-19  8:39   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-09-24  8:37     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-10 18:03 ` [PATCH v3 05/20] audio: make jackaudio use qemu_thread_set_name Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-11 13:21   ` Christian Schoenebeck
2025-09-12 14:58     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-19  8:46       ` Markus Armbruster
2025-09-10 18:03 ` [PATCH v3 06/20] util: set the name for the 'main' thread Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-10 18:03 ` [PATCH v3 07/20] util: add API to fetch the current thread name Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-19  8:59   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-09-19  9:05     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-19 11:35       ` Markus Armbruster
2025-09-23 12:12   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-09-24  8:55     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-10 18:03 ` [PATCH v3 08/20] log: avoid repeated prefix on incremental qemu_log calls Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-10 23:20   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-09-11  8:49   ` Richard Henderson
2025-09-17 14:11   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-09-17 15:33     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-23 12:46   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-09-23 14:28   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-09-23 14:55     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-24  7:06       ` Markus Armbruster
2025-09-24  7:12         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-24  9:20         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-24 12:34         ` Markus Armbruster
2025-09-24 13:30           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-10 18:03 ` [PATCH v3 09/20] ui/vnc: remove use of error_printf_unless_qmp() Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-11  0:08   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-09-11  8:51   ` Richard Henderson
2025-09-11 17:54   ` Richard Henderson
2025-09-12 15:11     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-19 11:42       ` Markus Armbruster
2025-09-10 18:03 ` [PATCH v3 10/20] monitor: remove redundant error_[v]printf_unless_qmp Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-11  8:50   ` Richard Henderson
2025-09-19 11:42   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-09-23 12:48   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2025-09-10 18:03 ` [PATCH v3 11/20] monitor: move error_vprintf() back to error-report.c Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-11  8:55   ` Richard Henderson
2025-09-19 12:27   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-09-19 13:43     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-10 18:03 ` [PATCH v3 12/20] monitor: introduce monitor_cur_hmp() function Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-11 17:52   ` Richard Henderson
2025-09-19 12:43   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-09-19 13:29     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-20  7:06       ` Markus Armbruster
2025-09-20 11:54         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-09-22  8:38           ` Markus Armbruster
2025-09-24 16:09             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-10 18:03 ` [PATCH v3 13/20] util: don't skip error prefixes when QMP is active Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-22  8:43   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-09-10 18:03 ` [PATCH v3 14/20] util: fix interleaving of error & trace output Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-11 18:01   ` Richard Henderson
2025-09-11 18:05   ` Richard Henderson
2025-09-12 16:30     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-22 12:16   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-09-10 18:03 ` [PATCH v3 15/20] util: introduce common helper for error-report & log code Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-11 18:02   ` Richard Henderson
2025-09-10 18:03 ` [PATCH v3 16/20] util: convert error-report & log to message API for timestamp Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-11 18:04   ` Richard Henderson
2025-09-10 18:03 ` [PATCH v3 17/20] util: add support for formatting a workload name in messages Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-11 18:06   ` Richard Henderson
2025-09-11 20:27   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-09-12  8:34     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-12 11:18       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-09-10 18:03 ` [PATCH v3 18/20] util: add support for formatting a program " Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-11 18:07   ` Richard Henderson
2025-09-11 18:08     ` Richard Henderson
2025-09-12 16:33     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-10 18:03 ` [PATCH v3 19/20] util: add support for formatting thread info " Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-11 18:11   ` Richard Henderson
2025-09-12  8:36     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-10 18:03 ` [PATCH v3 20/20] util: add brackets around guest name in message context Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-11 18:12   ` Richard Henderson

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