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From: Nicolin Chen <nicolinc@nvidia.com>
To: "Duan, Zhenzhong" <zhenzhong.duan@intel.com>
Cc: "qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
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	"Liu, Yi L" <yi.l.liu@intel.com>,
	"Peng, Chao P" <chao.p.peng@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 05/22] hw/pci: Introduce pci_device_get_viommu_flags()
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2025 01:21:51 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aNOqH3u3vNFRukew@Asurada-Nvidia> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <IA3PR11MB9136AE59AECA079CB61C4165921CA@IA3PR11MB9136.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

On Wed, Sep 24, 2025 at 07:05:42AM +0000, Duan, Zhenzhong wrote:
> >From: Nicolin Chen <nicolinc@nvidia.com>
> >Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 05/22] hw/pci: Introduce
> >> get_viommu_flags() is designed to return 64bit bitmap of purely vIOMMU
> >> flags which are only determined by user's configuration, no host
> >> capabilities involved. Reasons are:
> >>
> >> 1. host may has heterogeneous IOMMUs, each with different capabilities
> >> 2. this is migration friendly, return value is consistent between source
> >>    and target.
> >> 3. host IOMMU capabilities are passed to vIOMMU through
> >set_iommu_device()
> >>    interface which have to be after attach_device(), when
> >get_viommu_flags()
> >>    is called in attach_device(), there is no way for vIOMMU to get host
> >>    IOMMU capabilities yet, so only pure vIOMMU flags can be returned.
> >
> >"no way" sounds too strong..
> >
> >There is an iommufd_backend_get_device_info() call there. So, we
> >could have passed the host IOMMU capabilities to a vIOMMU. Just,
> >we chose not to (assuming for migration reason?).
> 
> What about 'it's hard for vIOMMU to get host IOMMU...'?

vfio-iommufd core code gets all the host IOMMU caps via the vfio
device but chooses to not forward to vIOMMU. So, it's neither "no
way" nor "hard" :)

To be honest, I don't feel this very related to be the reason 3
to justify for the new op/API. 1 and 2 are quite okay?

Having said that, it's probably good to add as a side note:

"
Note that this op will be invoked at the attach_device() stage, at which
point host IOMMU capabilities are not yet forwarded to the vIOMMU through
the set_iommu_device() callback that will be after the attach_device().

See the below sequence:
"

Nicolin


  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-24  8:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-18  8:57 [PATCH v6 00/22] intel_iommu: Enable first stage translation for passthrough device Zhenzhong Duan
2025-09-18  8:57 ` [PATCH v6 01/22] intel_iommu: Rename vtd_ce_get_rid2pasid_entry to vtd_ce_get_pasid_entry Zhenzhong Duan
2025-09-18  8:57 ` [PATCH v6 02/22] intel_iommu: Delete RPS capability related supporting code Zhenzhong Duan
2025-09-30 13:49   ` Eric Auger
2025-10-09 10:10     ` Duan, Zhenzhong
2025-10-12 12:30       ` Yi Liu
2025-09-18  8:57 ` [PATCH v6 03/22] intel_iommu: Update terminology to match VTD spec Zhenzhong Duan
2025-09-30  7:45   ` Eric Auger
2025-10-12 12:30   ` Yi Liu
2025-10-13  6:20     ` Duan, Zhenzhong
2025-09-18  8:57 ` [PATCH v6 04/22] hw/pci: Export pci_device_get_iommu_bus_devfn() and return bool Zhenzhong Duan
2025-09-18  8:57 ` [PATCH v6 05/22] hw/pci: Introduce pci_device_get_viommu_flags() Zhenzhong Duan
2025-09-23 18:47   ` Nicolin Chen
2025-09-24  7:05     ` Duan, Zhenzhong
2025-09-24  8:21       ` Nicolin Chen [this message]
2025-09-26  2:54         ` Duan, Zhenzhong
2025-09-30 13:55           ` Eric Auger
2025-10-12 12:26   ` Yi Liu
2025-10-13  6:24     ` Duan, Zhenzhong
2025-09-18  8:57 ` [PATCH v6 06/22] intel_iommu: Implement get_viommu_flags() callback Zhenzhong Duan
2025-10-12 12:28   ` Yi Liu
2025-10-13  6:26     ` Duan, Zhenzhong
2025-09-18  8:57 ` [PATCH v6 07/22] intel_iommu: Introduce a new structure VTDHostIOMMUDevice Zhenzhong Duan
2025-09-18  8:57 ` [PATCH v6 08/22] vfio/iommufd: Force creating nesting parent HWPT Zhenzhong Duan
2025-09-30 14:19   ` Eric Auger
2025-10-12 12:33   ` Yi Liu
2025-09-18  8:57 ` [PATCH v6 09/22] intel_iommu: Stick to system MR for IOMMUFD backed host device when x-fls=on Zhenzhong Duan
2025-09-30 15:04   ` Eric Auger
2025-10-09 10:10     ` Duan, Zhenzhong
2025-10-12 12:51   ` Yi Liu
2025-09-18  8:57 ` [PATCH v6 10/22] intel_iommu: Check for compatibility with IOMMUFD backed device when x-flts=on Zhenzhong Duan
2025-10-12 12:55   ` Yi Liu
2025-10-13  6:48     ` Duan, Zhenzhong
2025-09-18  8:57 ` [PATCH v6 11/22] intel_iommu: Fail passthrough device under PCI bridge if x-flts=on Zhenzhong Duan
2025-09-18  8:57 ` [PATCH v6 12/22] intel_iommu: Handle PASID cache invalidation Zhenzhong Duan
2025-10-12 14:58   ` Yi Liu
2025-10-13  7:37     ` Duan, Zhenzhong
2025-10-13 12:53       ` Yi Liu
2025-09-18  8:57 ` [PATCH v6 13/22] intel_iommu: Reset pasid cache when system level reset Zhenzhong Duan
2025-10-13 10:25   ` Yi Liu
2025-09-18  8:57 ` [PATCH v6 14/22] intel_iommu: Add some macros and inline functions Zhenzhong Duan
2025-10-13 10:25   ` Yi Liu
2025-09-18  8:57 ` [PATCH v6 15/22] intel_iommu: Bind/unbind guest page table to host Zhenzhong Duan
2025-09-18  8:57 ` [PATCH v6 16/22] intel_iommu: Propagate PASID-based iotlb invalidation " Zhenzhong Duan
2025-09-18  8:57 ` [PATCH v6 17/22] intel_iommu: Replay all pasid bindings when either SRTP or TE bit is changed Zhenzhong Duan
2025-09-18  8:57 ` [PATCH v6 18/22] iommufd: Introduce a helper function to extract vendor capabilities Zhenzhong Duan
2025-09-23 19:45   ` Nicolin Chen
2025-09-24  8:05     ` Duan, Zhenzhong
2025-09-24  8:27       ` Nicolin Chen
2025-09-26  2:54         ` Duan, Zhenzhong
2025-09-18  8:57 ` [PATCH v6 19/22] vfio: Add a new element bypass_ro in VFIOContainerBase Zhenzhong Duan
2025-09-26 12:25   ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-09-18  8:57 ` [PATCH v6 20/22] Workaround for ERRATA_772415_SPR17 Zhenzhong Duan
2025-09-18  8:58 ` [PATCH v6 21/22] intel_iommu: Enable host device when x-flts=on in scalable mode Zhenzhong Duan
2025-09-18  8:58 ` [PATCH v6 22/22] docs/devel: Add IOMMUFD nesting documentation Zhenzhong Duan
2025-09-18 10:00   ` Cédric Le Goater
2025-09-19  2:17     ` Duan, Zhenzhong

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