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From: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
To: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dave@treblig.org>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Kevin Wolf" <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel P . Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	"Fabiano Rosas" <farosas@suse.de>,
	"Hailiang Zhang" <zhanghailiang@xfusion.com>,
	"Yury Kotov" <yury-kotov@yandex-team.ru>,
	"Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy" <vsementsov@yandex-team.ru>,
	"Prasad Pandit" <ppandit@redhat.com>,
	"Zhang Chen" <zhangckid@gmail.com>,
	"Li Zhijian" <lizhijian@fujitsu.com>,
	"Juraj Marcin" <jmarcin@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 5/9] migration: Thread-ify precopy vmstate load process
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2025 17:02:14 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aObRVr1TIgF8tw28@x1.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aLjthngB19Lae0p2@gallifrey>

On Thu, Sep 04, 2025 at 01:38:14AM +0000, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote:
> > > > In general, QEMUFile IOs should not need BQL, that is when receiving the
> > > > VMSD data and waiting for e.g. the socket buffer to get refilled.  But
> > > > that's the easy part.
> > > 
> > > It's probably generally a good thing to get rid of the BQL there, but I bet
> > > it's going to throw some surprises; maybe something like devices doing
> > > stuff before the migration has fully arrived
> > 
> > Is that pre_load() or.. maybe something else?
> > 
> > I should still look into each of them, but only if we want to further push
> > the bql to be at post_load() level.  I am not sure if some pre_load() would
> > assume BQL won't be released until post_load(), if so that'll be an issue,
> > and that will need some closer code observation...
> 
> Well maybe pre_load; but anything that might start happening once the
> state has been loaded that shouldn't start happening until migration ends;
> I think there are some devices that do it properly and wait for end of migration.
> 
> > > or incoming socket connections to non-migration stuff perhaps.
> > 
> > Any example for this one?
> 
> I was just thinking aloud; but was thinking of NIC activity or maybe
> UI stuff?  But just guesses.

I'll see if I can get some more test coverage to be slightly more
confident..  If you have any special setup / devices in mind that might be
prone to issues with this series, please let me know!  I can test them even
earlier.

We also always have the option to provide a knob, so that whenever
necessary we can still allow user to fallback to the coroutine way, until
it's proven solid..

Thanks,

-- 
Peter Xu



  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-08 21:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-27 20:59 [PATCH RFC 0/9] migration: Threadify loadvm process Peter Xu
2025-08-27 20:59 ` [PATCH RFC 1/9] migration/vfio: Remove BQL implication in vfio_multifd_switchover_start() Peter Xu
2025-08-28 18:05   ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2025-09-16 21:34   ` Fabiano Rosas
2025-08-27 20:59 ` [PATCH RFC 2/9] migration/rdma: Fix wrong context in qio_channel_rdma_shutdown() Peter Xu
2025-09-16 21:41   ` Fabiano Rosas
2025-09-26  1:01   ` Zhijian Li (Fujitsu)
2025-08-27 20:59 ` [PATCH RFC 3/9] migration/rdma: Allow qemu_rdma_wait_comp_channel work with thread Peter Xu
2025-09-16 21:50   ` Fabiano Rosas
2025-09-26  1:02   ` Zhijian Li (Fujitsu)
2025-08-27 20:59 ` [PATCH RFC 4/9] migration/rdma: Change io_create_watch() to return immediately Peter Xu
2025-09-16 22:35   ` Fabiano Rosas
2025-10-08 20:34     ` Peter Xu
2025-09-26  2:39   ` Zhijian Li (Fujitsu)
2025-10-08 20:42     ` Peter Xu
2025-08-27 20:59 ` [PATCH RFC 5/9] migration: Thread-ify precopy vmstate load process Peter Xu
2025-08-27 23:51   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-08-29 16:37     ` Peter Xu
2025-09-04  1:38       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2025-10-08 21:02         ` Peter Xu [this message]
2025-08-29  8:29   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-29 17:17     ` Peter Xu
2025-09-01  9:35       ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-09-17 18:23   ` Fabiano Rosas
2025-10-09 21:41     ` Peter Xu
2025-09-26  3:41   ` Zhijian Li (Fujitsu)
2025-10-08 21:10     ` Peter Xu
2025-08-27 20:59 ` [PATCH RFC 6/9] migration/rdma: Remove coroutine path in qemu_rdma_wait_comp_channel Peter Xu
2025-09-16 22:39   ` Fabiano Rosas
2025-10-08 21:18     ` Peter Xu
2025-09-26  2:44   ` Zhijian Li (Fujitsu)
2025-08-27 20:59 ` [PATCH RFC 7/9] migration/postcopy: Remove workaround on wait preempt channel Peter Xu
2025-09-17 18:30   ` Fabiano Rosas
2025-08-27 20:59 ` [PATCH RFC 8/9] migration/ram: Remove workaround on ram yield during load Peter Xu
2025-09-17 18:31   ` Fabiano Rosas
2025-08-27 20:59 ` [PATCH RFC 9/9] migration/rdma: Remove rdma_cm_poll_handler Peter Xu
2025-09-17 18:38   ` Fabiano Rosas
2025-10-08 21:22     ` Peter Xu
2025-09-26  3:38   ` Zhijian Li (Fujitsu)
2025-08-29  8:29 ` [PATCH RFC 0/9] migration: Threadify loadvm process Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2025-08-29 17:18   ` Peter Xu
2025-09-04  8:27 ` Zhang Chen
2025-10-08 21:26   ` Peter Xu
2025-09-16 21:32 ` Fabiano Rosas
2025-10-09 16:58   ` Peter Xu

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