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From: "Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <f4bug@amsat.org>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: "Kevin Wolf" <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	"Peter Maydell" <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	Qemu-block <qemu-block@nongnu.org>,
	"Havard Skinnemoen" <hskinnemoen@google.com>,
	"QEMU Developers" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"CS20 KFTing" <kfting@nuvoton.com>,
	qemu-arm <qemu-arm@nongnu.org>, "Cédric Le Goater" <clg@kaod.org>,
	"IS20 Avi Fishman" <Avi.Fishman@nuvoton.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 10/11] hw/arm: Wire up BMC boot flash for npcm750-evb and quanta-gsj
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 12:57:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b3bc658f-a865-8e6b-c904-01c7724e89cc@amsat.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87pn8xywz2.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org>

On 7/15/20 11:00 AM, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> Philippe Mathieu-Daudé <f4bug@amsat.org> writes:
> 
>> On 7/14/20 6:21 PM, Markus Armbruster wrote:
>>> Philippe Mathieu-Daudé <f4bug@amsat.org> writes:
>>>
>>>> + qemu-block experts.
>>>>
>>>> On 7/14/20 11:16 AM, Markus Armbruster wrote:
>>>>> Havard Skinnemoen <hskinnemoen@google.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 7:57 AM Cédric Le Goater <clg@kaod.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/9/20 2:36 AM, Havard Skinnemoen wrote:
>>>>>>>> This allows these NPCM7xx-based boards to boot from a flash image, e.g.
>>>>>>>> one built with OpenBMC. For example like this:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IMAGE=${OPENBMC}/build/tmp/deploy/images/gsj/image-bmc
>>>>>>>> qemu-system-arm -machine quanta-gsj -nographic \
>>>>>>>>       -bios ~/qemu/bootrom/npcm7xx_bootrom.bin \
>>>>>>>>       -drive file=${IMAGE},if=mtd,bus=0,unit=0,format=raw,snapshot=on
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Reviewed-by: Tyrone Ting <kfting@nuvoton.com>
>>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Havard Skinnemoen <hskinnemoen@google.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> May be we don't need to create the flash object if dinfo is NULL.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's soldered on the board, so you can't really boot the board without
>>>>>> it. But if you think it's better to remove it altogether if we don't
>>>>>> have an image to load into it, I can do that.
>>>>>
>>>>> If a device is a fixed part of the physical board, it should be a fixed
>>>>> part of the virtual board, too.
>>>>
>>>> We agree so far but ... how to do it?
>>>>
>>>> I never used this API, does that makes sense?
>>>>
>>>>     if (!dinfo) {
>>>>         QemuOpts *opts;
>>>>
>>>>         opts = qemu_opts_create(NULL, "spi-flash", 1, &error_abort);
>>>>         qdict_put_str(opts, "format", "null-co");
>>>>         qdict_put_int(opts, BLOCK_OPT_SIZE, 64 * MiB);
>>>>         qdict_put_bool(opts, NULL_OPT_ZEROES, false); // XXX
>>>>
>>>>         dinfo = drive_new(opts, IF_MTD, &error_abort);
>>>>         qemu_opts_del(opts);
>>>>     }
>>>
>>> I believe existing code special-cases "no backend" instead of making one
>>> up.
>>>
>>> Example: pflash_cfi0?.c
>>>
>>> If ->blk is non-null, we read its contents into the memory buffer and
>>> write updates back, else we leave it blank and don't write updates back.
>>>
>>> Making one up could be more elegant.  To find out, you have to try.
>>
>> I'd rather avoid ad-hoc code in each device. I2C EEPROM do that too,
>> it is a source of head aches.
>>
>> >From the emulation PoV I'd prefer to always use a block backend,
>> regardless the user provide a drive.
>>
>>>
>>> We make up a few default drives (i.e. drives the user doesn't specify):
>>> floppy, CD-ROM and SD card.  Ancient part of the user interface, uses
>>> DriveInfo.  I doubt we should create more of them.
>>>
>>> I believe block backends we make up for internal use should stay away
>>> from DriveInfo.  Kevin, what do you think?  How would you make up a
>>> null-co block backend for a device's internal use?
>>
>> I read 'DriveInfo' is the legacy interface, but all the code base use it
>> so it is confusing, I don't understand what is the correct interface to
>> use.
> 
> I admit the "legacy" bit is still aspirational.  We still haven't
> managed to replace it for configuring certain onboard devices.
> 
> The thing being configured is a device's BlockBackend.
> 
> To understand the point I'm trying to make, please ignore "legacy", and
> focus on the actual purpose of DriveInfo: it's (one kind of) user
> configuration for a BlockBackend.
> 
> Now let me try to state the problem you're trying to solve.  Instead of
> special-casing "no backend" in device code like pflash_cfi0?.c do, you
> want to make up a "dummy" backend instead.  You need the dummy to read
> some blank value and ignore writes.  One of the null block drivers
> should fit the bill.
> 
> Now my point.  Why first make up user configuration, then use that to
> create a BlockBackend, when you could just go ahead and create the
> BlockBackend?

CLI issue mostly.

We can solve it similarly to the recent "sdcard: Do not allow invalid SD
card sizes" patch:

 if (!dinfo) {
     error_setg(errp, "Missing SPI flash drive");
     error_append_hint(errp, "You can use a dummy drive using:\n");
     error_append_hint(errp, "-drive if=mtd,driver=null-co,"
                             "read-ones=on,size=64M\n);
     return;
 }

having npcm7xx_connect_flash() taking an Error* argument,
and MachineClass::init() call it with &error_fatal.

> 
> Sadly, I'm not sufficiently familiar with the block API anymore to tell
> you exactly how.  blk_new_with_bs() looks promising.  Perhaps Kevin can
> advise.
> 
>>>> We should probably add a public helper for that.
>>>
>>> If we decide we want to make up backends, then yes, we should do that in
>>> a helper, not in each device.
>>>
>>>> 'XXX' because NOR flashes erase content is when hardware bit
>>>> is set, so it would be more useful to return -1/0xff... rather
>>>> than zeroes.


  reply	other threads:[~2020-07-15 10:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-09  0:35 [PATCH v5 00/11] Add Nuvoton NPCM730/NPCM750 SoCs and two BMC machines Havard Skinnemoen
2020-07-09  0:35 ` [PATCH v5 01/11] hw/misc: Add NPCM7xx System Global Control Registers device model Havard Skinnemoen
2020-07-09  6:04   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-07-09  6:43     ` Havard Skinnemoen
2020-07-09 16:23       ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-07-09 17:09         ` Havard Skinnemoen
2020-07-09 17:24           ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-07-09 17:42             ` Havard Skinnemoen
2020-07-10  9:31               ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-07-11  6:46                 ` Havard Skinnemoen
2020-07-12  5:49                   ` Havard Skinnemoen
2020-07-09  0:35 ` [PATCH v5 02/11] hw/misc: Add NPCM7xx Clock Controller " Havard Skinnemoen
2020-07-15  7:18   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-07-09  0:36 ` [PATCH v5 03/11] hw/timer: Add NPCM7xx Timer " Havard Skinnemoen
2020-07-15  7:25   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-07-15 23:04     ` Havard Skinnemoen
2020-07-16  8:04       ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-07-09  0:36 ` [PATCH v5 04/11] hw/arm: Add NPCM730 and NPCM750 SoC models Havard Skinnemoen
2020-07-09  6:11   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-07-13 15:02   ` Cédric Le Goater
2020-07-14  0:44     ` Havard Skinnemoen
2020-07-14 11:37       ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-07-14 16:01         ` Markus Armbruster
2020-07-14 17:11           ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-07-15  1:03             ` Havard Skinnemoen
2020-07-15  9:35               ` Markus Armbruster
2020-07-09  0:36 ` [PATCH v5 05/11] hw/arm: Add two NPCM7xx-based machines Havard Skinnemoen
2020-07-09  5:57   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-07-09  6:09     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-07-09  0:36 ` [PATCH v5 06/11] hw/arm: Load -bios image as a boot ROM for npcm7xx Havard Skinnemoen
2020-07-13 17:50   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-07-09  0:36 ` [PATCH v5 07/11] hw/nvram: NPCM7xx OTP device model Havard Skinnemoen
2020-07-09  0:36 ` [PATCH v5 08/11] hw/mem: Stubbed out NPCM7xx Memory Controller model Havard Skinnemoen
2020-07-09 16:29   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-07-09  0:36 ` [PATCH v5 09/11] hw/ssi: NPCM7xx Flash Interface Unit device model Havard Skinnemoen
2020-07-09 17:00   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-07-12  5:42     ` Havard Skinnemoen
2020-07-13 17:38       ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-07-14  2:39         ` Havard Skinnemoen
2020-07-09  0:36 ` [PATCH v5 10/11] hw/arm: Wire up BMC boot flash for npcm750-evb and quanta-gsj Havard Skinnemoen
2020-07-13 14:57   ` Cédric Le Goater
2020-07-13 17:59     ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-07-13 18:02       ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-07-14  2:56     ` Havard Skinnemoen
2020-07-14  9:16       ` Markus Armbruster
2020-07-14 11:29         ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-07-14 16:21           ` Markus Armbruster
2020-07-14 17:16             ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-07-15  9:00               ` Markus Armbruster
2020-07-15 10:57                 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé [this message]
2020-07-15 20:54                   ` Havard Skinnemoen
2020-07-16 20:56                     ` Havard Skinnemoen
2020-07-17  7:48                       ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-07-17  8:03                         ` Thomas Huth
2020-07-17  8:27                           ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-07-17  9:00                             ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-07-17 19:18                               ` Havard Skinnemoen
2020-07-17 20:21                                 ` Cédric Le Goater
2020-07-17 20:52                                 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2020-07-17 20:57                                   ` Havard Skinnemoen
2020-07-20  7:58                               ` Markus Armbruster
2020-07-15  7:42       ` Cédric Le Goater
2020-07-15 21:19         ` Havard Skinnemoen
2020-07-09  0:36 ` [PATCH v5 11/11] docs/system: Add Nuvoton machine documentation Havard Skinnemoen

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