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From: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>
To: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
Cc: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	"Jason J . Herne" <jjherne@linux.ibm.com>,
	Collin Walling <walling@linux.ibm.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>,
	qemu-s390x <qemu-s390x@nongnu.org>,
	Richard Henderson <rth@twiddle.net>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [qemu-s390x] [PATCH v2 10/10] s390x/cpumodel: wire up 8561 and 8562 as gen15 machines
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 10:55:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b3e4dda2-2a74-718e-102d-14532607ddb3@de.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190429105332.14434866.cohuck@redhat.com>



On 29.04.19 10:53, Cornelia Huck wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 09:51:39 +0200
> Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 26.04.19 14:55, Cornelia Huck wrote:
>>> On Fri, 26 Apr 2019 14:05:30 +0200
>>> David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>   
>>>> On 26.04.19 14:01, Christian Borntraeger wrote:  
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 26.04.19 13:52, David Hildenbrand wrote:    
>>>>>> On 26.04.19 13:36, Christian Borntraeger wrote:    
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 26.04.19 13:32, David Hildenbrand wrote:    
>>>>>>>> On 26.04.19 13:10, Christian Borntraeger wrote:    
>>>>>>>>> 8561 and 8562 will be gen15 machines. There is no name yet, lets us use
>>>>>>>>> the cpu id as base name. Later on we can provide aliases with the proper
>>>>>>>>> name.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>
>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>  target/s390x/cpu_models.c | 2 ++
>>>>>>>>>  1 file changed, 2 insertions(+)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> diff --git a/target/s390x/cpu_models.c b/target/s390x/cpu_models.c
>>>>>>>>> index d683635eb5..dd6415103f 100644
>>>>>>>>> --- a/target/s390x/cpu_models.c
>>>>>>>>> +++ b/target/s390x/cpu_models.c
>>>>>>>>> @@ -83,6 +83,8 @@ static S390CPUDef s390_cpu_defs[] = {
>>>>>>>>>      CPUDEF_INIT(0x3906, 14, 1, 47, 0x08000000U, "z14", "IBM z14 GA1"),
>>>>>>>>>      CPUDEF_INIT(0x3906, 14, 2, 47, 0x08000000U, "z14.2", "IBM z14 GA2"),
>>>>>>>>>      CPUDEF_INIT(0x3907, 14, 1, 47, 0x08000000U, "z14ZR1", "IBM z14 Model ZR1 GA1"),
>>>>>>>>> +    CPUDEF_INIT(0x8561, 15, 1, 47, 0x08000000U, "8561", "IBM 8561 GA1"),
>>>>>>>>> +    CPUDEF_INIT(0x8562, 15, 1, 47, 0x08000000U, "8562", "IBM 8562 GA1"),
>>>>>>>>>  };    
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thinking out loud, I know that official names are not published yet.
>>>>>>>> Looking at the recent history (z13, z14), my educated guess would be
>>>>>>>> z15. I guess pretty much everybody would guess that.    
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not sure about trademark aspects - especially if this really becomes z15. The smaller
>>>>>>> machine has no real history (ZR1 vs. s vs BC). So I think I would rather have a correct
>>>>>>> number than a partially correct name.    
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We could also use "gen15a" and "gen15b", still better to get than magic
>>>>>> numbers. (yeah well, they are not magic)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want to stick with numbers, be aware that cpu numbers are not
>>>>>> injective, so at some point we will need e.g. "8561.2", just so you're
>>>>>> aware of the implications.    
>>>>>
>>>>> I think whatever we have here is only used internally for expansion (host-model)
>>>>> and the user will use later the real name when available. (custom). So probably this
>>>>> does not matter for a long time. But I might be wrong.
>>>>> I tend to prefer gen15 over z15 but 856x has also its charm.  
>>>
>>> FWIW, I'd prefer gen15 over 856x, but...  
>>
>> I actually think that the cpu id would be a nice name for expansion because it is
>> guarenteed to stay and it is unique and it allows to have a different content (if
>> that would be necessary) for 2 gen15 machines.
>>>   
>>>>>     
>>>>
>>>> Another question would be, can we rename before the next QEMU release,
>>>> so it will never be officially part of QEMU? Then we don't need aliases
>>>> after all. Of course, distros have to take care of that as well, but
>>>> that shouldn't be upstream QEMUs business.  
>>>
>>> ...if we could do that, I'd like that even better.  
>>
>> I dont think that I know the name in time before the next release.
>> So lets go with gen15a/gen15b or 8561/8562?
> 
> I always have trouble remembering number combinations, so I'd vote for
> gen15a/gen15b if the official names are not an option.

OK, I will respin with gen15a/gen15b.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>
To: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
Cc: "Jason J . Herne" <jjherne@linux.ibm.com>,
	Collin Walling <walling@linux.ibm.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>,
	qemu-s390x <qemu-s390x@nongnu.org>,
	Richard Henderson <rth@twiddle.net>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [qemu-s390x] [PATCH v2 10/10] s390x/cpumodel: wire up 8561 and 8562 as gen15 machines
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 10:55:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b3e4dda2-2a74-718e-102d-14532607ddb3@de.ibm.com> (raw)
Message-ID: <20190429085553.JPweUpb_NuyTkZeA8eXglbxLvkANAY2imp4LB974j-I@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190429105332.14434866.cohuck@redhat.com>



On 29.04.19 10:53, Cornelia Huck wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 09:51:39 +0200
> Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 26.04.19 14:55, Cornelia Huck wrote:
>>> On Fri, 26 Apr 2019 14:05:30 +0200
>>> David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>   
>>>> On 26.04.19 14:01, Christian Borntraeger wrote:  
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 26.04.19 13:52, David Hildenbrand wrote:    
>>>>>> On 26.04.19 13:36, Christian Borntraeger wrote:    
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 26.04.19 13:32, David Hildenbrand wrote:    
>>>>>>>> On 26.04.19 13:10, Christian Borntraeger wrote:    
>>>>>>>>> 8561 and 8562 will be gen15 machines. There is no name yet, lets us use
>>>>>>>>> the cpu id as base name. Later on we can provide aliases with the proper
>>>>>>>>> name.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>
>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>  target/s390x/cpu_models.c | 2 ++
>>>>>>>>>  1 file changed, 2 insertions(+)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> diff --git a/target/s390x/cpu_models.c b/target/s390x/cpu_models.c
>>>>>>>>> index d683635eb5..dd6415103f 100644
>>>>>>>>> --- a/target/s390x/cpu_models.c
>>>>>>>>> +++ b/target/s390x/cpu_models.c
>>>>>>>>> @@ -83,6 +83,8 @@ static S390CPUDef s390_cpu_defs[] = {
>>>>>>>>>      CPUDEF_INIT(0x3906, 14, 1, 47, 0x08000000U, "z14", "IBM z14 GA1"),
>>>>>>>>>      CPUDEF_INIT(0x3906, 14, 2, 47, 0x08000000U, "z14.2", "IBM z14 GA2"),
>>>>>>>>>      CPUDEF_INIT(0x3907, 14, 1, 47, 0x08000000U, "z14ZR1", "IBM z14 Model ZR1 GA1"),
>>>>>>>>> +    CPUDEF_INIT(0x8561, 15, 1, 47, 0x08000000U, "8561", "IBM 8561 GA1"),
>>>>>>>>> +    CPUDEF_INIT(0x8562, 15, 1, 47, 0x08000000U, "8562", "IBM 8562 GA1"),
>>>>>>>>>  };    
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thinking out loud, I know that official names are not published yet.
>>>>>>>> Looking at the recent history (z13, z14), my educated guess would be
>>>>>>>> z15. I guess pretty much everybody would guess that.    
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not sure about trademark aspects - especially if this really becomes z15. The smaller
>>>>>>> machine has no real history (ZR1 vs. s vs BC). So I think I would rather have a correct
>>>>>>> number than a partially correct name.    
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We could also use "gen15a" and "gen15b", still better to get than magic
>>>>>> numbers. (yeah well, they are not magic)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want to stick with numbers, be aware that cpu numbers are not
>>>>>> injective, so at some point we will need e.g. "8561.2", just so you're
>>>>>> aware of the implications.    
>>>>>
>>>>> I think whatever we have here is only used internally for expansion (host-model)
>>>>> and the user will use later the real name when available. (custom). So probably this
>>>>> does not matter for a long time. But I might be wrong.
>>>>> I tend to prefer gen15 over z15 but 856x has also its charm.  
>>>
>>> FWIW, I'd prefer gen15 over 856x, but...  
>>
>> I actually think that the cpu id would be a nice name for expansion because it is
>> guarenteed to stay and it is unique and it allows to have a different content (if
>> that would be necessary) for 2 gen15 machines.
>>>   
>>>>>     
>>>>
>>>> Another question would be, can we rename before the next QEMU release,
>>>> so it will never be officially part of QEMU? Then we don't need aliases
>>>> after all. Of course, distros have to take care of that as well, but
>>>> that shouldn't be upstream QEMUs business.  
>>>
>>> ...if we could do that, I'd like that even better.  
>>
>> I dont think that I know the name in time before the next release.
>> So lets go with gen15a/gen15b or 8561/8562?
> 
> I always have trouble remembering number combinations, so I'd vote for
> gen15a/gen15b if the official names are not an option.

OK, I will respin with gen15a/gen15b.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-04-29  9:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-26 11:09 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 00/10] s390x: new guest features Christian Borntraeger
2019-04-26 11:09 ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-04-26 11:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 01/10] linux header sync Christian Borntraeger
2019-04-26 11:09   ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-04-26 11:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 02/10] s390x/cpumodel: ignore csske for expansion Christian Borntraeger
2019-04-26 11:09   ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-04-26 11:15   ` David Hildenbrand
2019-04-26 11:15     ` David Hildenbrand
2019-04-26 11:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 03/10] s390x/cpumodel: Miscellaneous-Instruction-Extensions Facility 3 Christian Borntraeger
2019-04-26 11:09   ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-04-26 11:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 04/10] s390x/cpumodel: msa9 facility Christian Borntraeger
2019-04-26 11:09   ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-04-26 11:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 05/10] s390x/cpumodel: vector enhancements Christian Borntraeger
2019-04-26 11:09   ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-04-26 11:09 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 06/10] s390x/cpumodel: enhanced sort facility Christian Borntraeger
2019-04-26 11:09   ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-04-26 11:10 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 07/10] s390x/cpumodel: add Deflate-conversion facility Christian Borntraeger
2019-04-26 11:10   ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-04-26 11:10 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 08/10] s390x/cpumodel: add gen15 defintions Christian Borntraeger
2019-04-26 11:10   ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-04-26 11:10 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 09/10] s390x/cpumodel: disable csske and bpb from gen15 cpu models onwards Christian Borntraeger
2019-04-26 11:10   ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-04-26 11:18   ` David Hildenbrand
2019-04-26 11:18     ` David Hildenbrand
2019-04-26 11:18     ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-04-26 11:18       ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-04-26 11:20       ` David Hildenbrand
2019-04-26 11:20         ` David Hildenbrand
2019-04-26 11:10 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 10/10] s390x/cpumodel: wire up 8561 and 8562 as gen15 machines Christian Borntraeger
2019-04-26 11:10   ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-04-26 11:21   ` David Hildenbrand
2019-04-26 11:21     ` David Hildenbrand
2019-04-26 11:22     ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-04-26 11:22       ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-04-26 11:24     ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-04-26 11:24       ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-04-26 11:34       ` David Hildenbrand
2019-04-26 11:34         ` David Hildenbrand
2019-04-26 11:32   ` David Hildenbrand
2019-04-26 11:32     ` David Hildenbrand
2019-04-26 11:36     ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-04-26 11:36       ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-04-26 11:52       ` David Hildenbrand
2019-04-26 11:52         ` David Hildenbrand
2019-04-26 12:01         ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-04-26 12:01           ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-04-26 12:05           ` David Hildenbrand
2019-04-26 12:05             ` David Hildenbrand
2019-04-26 12:55             ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-26 12:55               ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-29  7:51               ` [Qemu-devel] [qemu-s390x] " Christian Borntraeger
2019-04-29  7:51                 ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-04-29  8:53                 ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-29  8:53                   ` Cornelia Huck
2019-04-29  8:55                   ` Christian Borntraeger [this message]
2019-04-29  8:55                     ` Christian Borntraeger
2019-04-29 10:16                 ` David Hildenbrand
2019-04-29 10:16                   ` David Hildenbrand
2019-04-26 11:23 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2 00/10] s390x: new guest features no-reply
2019-04-26 11:23   ` no-reply

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